Quantcast
  1. LAST DAY FOR SECRET SANTA ENTRIES! Get your entries in today!
    Go here for details and to learn how to participate.

Pictures of old and obscure suspension bikes

Discussion in 'Downhill & Freeride' started by dw, Aug 4, 2005.

  1. Honus New Member

    Rep  |  Likes:
    0   |   0
    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2006
    Messages:
    177
    Location:
    Boulder, CO
    This one should bring back some memories for those of you that were around at the time-
    Herbold's Miyata






  2. Honus New Member

    Rep  |  Likes:
    0   |   0
    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2006
    Messages:
    177
    Location:
    Boulder, CO
  3. xy9ine Active Member

    Rep  |  Likes:
    0   |   1
    Joined:
    Mar 22, 2004
    Messages:
    2,488
    Location:
    vancouver eastside
    some great posts. man, i miss the wacky old days of freaky frame designs.
  4. Honus New Member

    Rep  |  Likes:
    0   |   0
    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2006
    Messages:
    177
    Location:
    Boulder, CO
    I know B1s have been posted but this blacked out one looks really cool-








    And a pic of the not old but decidedly different Wimmer-
  5. Honus New Member

    Rep  |  Likes:
    0   |   0
    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2006
    Messages:
    177
    Location:
    Boulder, CO
    Can't forget the Bushido- 1987 and 10" of travel.


  6. aaronjb Member

    Rep  |  Likes:
    0   |   2
    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2010
    Messages:
    375
    Didn't that have some prototype tires which would seal and self-inflate after a puncture? Or was that just a fairy tale?
  7. stoney Part of the unwashed, middle-American horde

    Rep  |  Likes:
    4   |   6
    Joined:
    Jul 26, 2006
    Messages:
    8,607
    Location:
    Colorado
    Duh. I was looking for the details. Those kids were wicked smart.
  8. epic Member

    Rep  |  Likes:
    0   |   3
    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2008
    Messages:
    980
    That's the one I remember. A couple of my friends had those. They were good but also frustrating. I remember several trips out to Danbury or wherever to get new rear ends, as well as straightening the seatmast thingy pretty much every run. So frustrating when one of them would come coasting to the finish line with the seat stuck behind his knee.
  9. LMC Member

    Rep  |  Likes:
    0   |   0
    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2006
    Messages:
    683
    Well Nico had Michelin's Le System which was designed to do what you describe.
  10. time-bomb Member

    Rep  |  Likes:
    0   |   1
    Joined:
    May 2, 2008
    Messages:
    919
    Location:
    right here -> .
    Bike frames were always a side business for them. They decided to pull out of the business due to expenses and focus solely on their high end off road truck parts. They were really cool guys and did quality work. I'd love to see the reemerge someday.

    edit: meant to quote The Joker. This response was intended to answer his question about PDC Racing.
  11. SuspectDevice Active Member

    Rep  |  Likes:
    1   |   0
    Joined:
    Aug 23, 2002
    Messages:
    3,918
    Location:
    Northampton, MA
    The TW guys at Tioga made up their own system for Nico based 99.9% on industrial espionage.

    Notice the semi-slick rear tire on that bike? Another custom Nico item that never made it into production.
    That dude doesn't really need center knobs since he never really slowed down.
  12. jonKranked Press Button, Receive Stupid

    Rep  |  Likes:
    48   |   127
    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2005
    Messages:
    37,037
    Location:
    alcoholics unanimous
    did anyone ever figure out how le system worked?
  13. stoney Part of the unwashed, middle-American horde

    Rep  |  Likes:
    4   |   6
    Joined:
    Jul 26, 2006
    Messages:
    8,607
    Location:
    Colorado
    The Michelin tires. A few of the old teams had them.
  14. scottishmark Active Member

    Rep  |  Likes:
    10   |   5
    Joined:
    May 20, 2002
    Messages:
    2,078
    Location:
    Somewhere dark, cold & wet....
    yup but it's far too complicated to post here


    ;)
  15. Pslide New Member

    Rep  |  Likes:
    0   |   0
    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2002
    Messages:
    1,381
    Location:
    Feet on the ground, head in the clouds.
    OK, Suspect Device delivered on the Profile Racing frame.

    Next Challenge: Early 2000's, a couple of Americans (I think) living as ex-pats in Japan and had a graphics design firm that also designed a few bikes, including a very pretty DH bike. The brand name escapes me, but was Japanese sounding. Anyone remember?
  16. jonKranked Press Button, Receive Stupid

    Rep  |  Likes:
    48   |   127
    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2005
    Messages:
    37,037
    Location:
    alcoholics unanimous
    try me.
  17. Pslide New Member

    Rep  |  Likes:
    0   |   0
    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2002
    Messages:
    1,381
    Location:
    Feet on the ground, head in the clouds.
  18. LMC Member

    Rep  |  Likes:
    0   |   0
    Joined:
    Dec 10, 2006
    Messages:
    683
    Apparently the weight penalty was too large for widespread use in MTB. Rob Warner briefly touched on it in Dirt mag (I think) a few years back.
  19. OGRipper Active Member

    Rep  |  Likes:
    1   |   5
    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2004
    Messages:
    9,473
    Location:
    NORCAL is the hizzle
    Honda!

    What do I win? :D
  20. ska todd Active Member

    Rep  |  Likes:
    0   |   0
    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2001
    Messages:
    1,782
    Location:
    Lawnguyland, New F'in Yawk
    Iron Horse raced the Profile bikes for the 2001 season. We started working with them around Interbike 2000 on geometry and suspension. The bike was designed by Dave Robicheaux and built down in Florida.

    The front triangles were 6061 and the swingarm/chainstays were essentially just really long Profile crankarms. The main pivot was a double set of Profile BB bearings, one set pressed into the swingarm, another set into the front triangle, that pivoted on the crank spindle. Super clean execution.

    When we first tested the bike at November 00 Plattekill race (where I crashed by S10 pickup coincidentally), it was apparent that the geometry was way steep, the TT was too short, and the rear end suffered from horrible stiffening under braking. Ebbet won the race on it; probably b/c he wouldn't dare risk using his rear brake for fear of it becoming a hardtail w/ a 69 deg HT angle!

    That winter Robi tweaked the geometry (66d on paper but they came in at like 64d), lengthened the TT, and added a floating brake arm. We received the race frames literally the Thurs before the April 01 P'kill race, built them up in the Hannah motel on Friday night...and soon found out that the floating brake arms were unusable. They were hollow, untreated, thin aluminum tubes and would flex under the most miniscule amount of braking. To actually ride/race the bikes thru the weekend we ended up ziptie & duct taping screwdrivers and allen wrenches to the brake arm.

    By the May P'kill race we had received replacement steel brake arms and the bikes were pretty solid the remainder of the season. The bikes rode a straight line like a freight train. The BB was super low, the HT angle slack, and the CS really long; so they were perfect up on the old Mount Snow course.

    Iron Horse had plans to work more closely w/ Profile to refine and develop versions of this bike under the IH brand but tragically Dave Robicheaux passed away in the summer of 01 in a paragliding accident. The project then just lost it's steam as aside from Robi, no one at Profile really seemed to know what to do with the bike.

    Had Robi not passed away, would IH have needed to ring up _dw to Apollo 13 the company out of a VPP patent infringement and in process create dw-link?

    -ska todd
  21. Pslide New Member

    Rep  |  Likes:
    0   |   0
    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2002
    Messages:
    1,381
    Location:
    Feet on the ground, head in the clouds.
    I went digging into old old files, found this of the Profile DR-1:

    DR-1.gif
  22. IH8Rice I'm Mr. Negative! I Fail!

    Rep  |  Likes:
    13   |   41
    Joined:
    Aug 2, 2008
    Messages:
    23,484
    Media:
    40
    Location:
    Im over here now
    cool story man. seriously. its nice to hear stories about Platty's heyday from people who were using it as a test bed like you guys were.

    SC had already bought the patent from Outland around that time right? i think i got my V10 around May of '02
  23. KavuRider Active Member

    Rep  |  Likes:
    0   |   3
    Joined:
    Jan 30, 2006
    Messages:
    2,599
    Location:
    CT
    Wow.
    Makes sense though, I wondered about that seatpost setup. Crazy looking bike.

    My Apocalypse was an amazing bike. With modern geo/spacing for modern parts that bike would be killer. I had mine built up with a Shiver, then a 888 and fairly light modern parts. Because of the second shock, you couldn't really tweak the geo that much like you could with the Army.

    The guys I ride with say that I was the fastest on that bike.
  24. SPINTECK Active Member

    Rep  |  Likes:
    1   |   0
    Joined:
    Oct 16, 2005
    Messages:
    1,372
    Location:
    abc
    Wow, what a great find. I remember that year because it was the first year I sold out and started a "real job". Myles made some funny statement about an old guy coming out of nowhere to win the worlds. I believe I read the story in Velonews and was just impressed with the story of Herin. He was in his thirtees at the time.

    I wonder who made those bikes?? I make that statement b/c I have a 93 DBR with a similar look that rumor had it was made for Diamondback by Ferrachi. I'll try to post a pic of it, I don't believe I saw on in this thread and it's a pretty clean looking bike.
  25. - seb Active Member

    Rep  |  Likes:
    0   |   0
    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2002
    Messages:
    2,933
    Location:
    UK
    I remember that, and I still have my old MBi's at home. I'll try to remember to dig it out next time I visit my mum!
  26. SkullCrack Member

    Rep  |  Likes:
    0   |   0
    Joined:
    Sep 3, 2004
    Messages:
    612
    Location:
    PNW
  27. bismojo Member

    Rep  |  Likes:
    0   |   0
    Joined:
    May 5, 2009
    Messages:
    248
    that is the best frame graphic i have ever seen!
  28. jackalope Mental acuity - 1%

    Rep  |  Likes:
    47   |   82
    Joined:
    Jan 9, 2004
    Messages:
    2,854
    Location:
    in a single wide, cooking meth...
  29. wydopen Active Member

    Rep  |  Likes:
    4   |   10
    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2005
    Messages:
    1,016
    Location:
    Santa Barbara
    great thread...brings me back to the days when i first got into dh

    my first bike was a k2 (cant remember the model) with a noleen 6" fork and rear shock.. the shock went through the seat tube and it always blew..running tioga white tigers and some magura gustov brakes

    then i "upgraded" to a Mnt Cycle Shockwave with Hanebrink front fork...fork was god awful...u had to lube it every ride..if it was too muddy it would completely lock out..sun double wide rims (even put a 24" in the back at one point)..frame was super noisy..no bearings..just bushings..50t chainring on an mrp world cup chaingide..running maxxis mobster tires..that was pre highroller

    finally i got a stab primo with Stratos s8 fork..that was actually a fun bike..running a 3" gazalodi jr with about 15psi haha

    wish i had pics..
  30. Sandro Member

    Rep  |  Likes:
    1   |   6
    Joined:
    Nov 12, 2006
    Messages:
    799
    Location:
    The old world
    My 95 Nicolai Trombone Shock with 3G Urtho up front, STM chainguide and enough spacers for three bikes.

    3.jpg
    Last edited: Jun 30, 2013
  31. maxyedor <b>TOOL PRO</b>

    Rep  |  Likes:
    1   |   0
    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2005
    Messages:
    2,612
    Location:
    In the bathroom, fighting a battle
    Couple of my favorite old&obscure designs, probably all reposts

    Honda, I remember hearing that the price was well into the 5 figures, and it was way ahead of it's time. If it were released today, it would fit right in with some of the latest and greatest.


    Wanted one of these so bad when I was rocking the Super-V 400 back in 97/98ish, I know that's when I got the Super-V, forget exactly when this pile of insnaity came out. Remember the article in Mountainbike, and thinking how rad it was. It had it all, crazy linkages, jack-shafts, inverted fork whacky ecentric head-set, disc brakes, and most importantly a top-tube. Luckily before I could save up enough to buy a Headshock Moto for my Super-V they stopped making them haha, after bending a couple main-frames, i sold my disc ready rear triangle and bought a Kona. Smart decision on my part.




    This was a little before my time, they were just being replaced by Weasels when I started riding


    The Weasel was the first Foes I ever rode, game changer


    another lust-worthy bike. When I was a kid just getting into mountain-biking (and before GT went to china) my brother and I rode our BMX bikes to the GT factory in Irvine and got to see these things being made. It was like seeing a space-shuttle on the assembly line. Extra points for having Spin wheels! This is another one I remember from the first couple issues of Mountainbike I ever got, there were pics of a chromed out GT on chrome Spins at a ski resort, studded tires, ready for snow-shredding.


    Last, not really oddball, but it was my first dh/freeride bike. Not sure why i built it the way I did, 3.0 Nokians, Monster-T, Profile cranks, 36 hole double-wides, must have weighed like 80 pounds. I could plow through anything, but couldn't hardly "ride" it, it was just too damn heavy.


    Still have my Monster T, not sure what to do with it. Way to heavy to actually use for riding purposes, maybe make a toilet paper holder or something.

    Really wish I still had some of my old magazines, kept them for a long time, then finally tossed them mid-way through college. Some of the bikes they reviewed were just awesome! One day i'll own a Schwinn Home-grown.
  32. Sandwich just shake your rump

    Rep  |  Likes:
    8   |   18
    Joined:
    May 23, 2002
    Messages:
    12,788
    Location:
    whahlthahm, MAH
    GOO I might be insane for saying this but that GT is AWESOME. I desperately want a bar bike like that, filled with retro "not quite valuable" goodies for taking the kids out and wobbling to the local bar stool.
  33. OGRipper Active Member

    Rep  |  Likes:
    1   |   5
    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2004
    Messages:
    9,473
    Location:
    NORCAL is the hizzle
    That would totally be a 4 bar bike. Or more, depending on the night.
  34. morpheous New Member

    Rep  |  Likes:
    0   |   0
    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2010
    Messages:
    11
  35. jonKranked Press Button, Receive Stupid

    Rep  |  Likes:
    48   |   127
    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2005
    Messages:
    37,037
    Location:
    alcoholics unanimous
    rn-01: rare, yes. obscure. no.
  36. HardtailHack used an iron once

    Rep  |  Likes:
    9   |   12
    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2009
    Messages:
    1,833
  37. ShinBRGRZ New Member

    Rep  |  Likes:
    0   |   0
    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2004
    Messages:
    2
    Some amazing pics here, and some great stories to go with them. I just got done reading and reminiscing through 67 pages. Just awesome. Brings back so many memories, most of which were just lusting after bikes I saw in magazines. Anyone know who made that CNC linkage fork that xy9ine posted? Been racking my brain trying to remember who made that. Was it Profile?

    http://smg.photobucket.com/user/xy9ine/media/237226954_y3ovr-O.jpg.html
  38. Sandwich just shake your rump

    Rep  |  Likes:
    8   |   18
    Joined:
    May 23, 2002
    Messages:
    12,788
    Location:
    whahlthahm, MAH
    I know Outland and "summit racing" made one. I'll try and dig through my mags for that one, I think it was IB 1998.
  39. HardtailHack used an iron once

    Rep  |  Likes:
    9   |   12
    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2009
    Messages:
    1,833
  40. scottishmark Active Member

    Rep  |  Likes:
    10   |   5
    Joined:
    May 20, 2002
    Messages:
    2,078
    Location:
    Somewhere dark, cold & wet....