1. The message you have entered is too short. Please lengthen your message to at least 5 characters.bizutch said:
HONDA... A picture says a thousand words
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bizutch said:
Thank you! Thats about the only thing in ths thread that makes any sense other than the post about outsourcing. But even the outsourcing aspect is included in the "bigger picture" that you have alluded to. The truth is, assuming that Honda is going to sell it, NOBODY KNOWS WHY!!! There are a lot of reasons for a company like Honda to get into a new market. Part of it may have to do with expected MX crossover. Or, they may look at it as a project that will gain them free exposure in MX mags. They may not give a damn about mtb riding at all. The only published article that I have read on it said that it was built as an excercise to get their designers to think outside the box. Who know's. I honnestly hope that the bike will provide the mtb industry with a much-needed shot in the arm.OGRipper said:The oil theory is interesting but might be giving Honda too much credit.
As for the cost, a company as big as Honda will no doubt sell these bikes at a loss when entering the market. It's called a loss leader, most of you know what that is. It's possible that they are just winging it but much more likely that they have a longe-range plan pursuant to which they don't expect to see profits or break even for a long time. So they can have a target MSRP lower than actual unit cost, especially to start when the unit cost is higher.
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And here is somehting else to get an e-spec hardon over: Anyone notice that Honda was a sponsor of the Anglefire coverage on OLN? I'm SURE that this was subliminal advertising on their part to get people ready for the offical mass-market introduction of the bike coupled with a plan that will lead to world peace.
Funny, you are Repack in the Boston area, I used to live in Boston and now I ride Repack now and then out here in Cali. Uh yeah. Well it's funny to me.Repack said:
Anyway, I love to e-spec but for me the really cool thing about this bike was all the mystery about the drivetain. Sure it's great that they have mobilized showa and these other companies to help, and the stuff looks promising but, I dunno, I just can't seem to get too psyched about it. Especially if the brakes and suspension parts are not available aftermarket, which might be the case.
I guess I'm still waiting for the real "bombs" about this bike to drop.
here is a hint - search. Big thread on this before, they have already said it WILL be going into production. And now a pre production/production bike is on display. sheesh.wydopen said:
Actually when i comment in a thread about a subject, i do make sure I know what I am talking about first. Especially a subject that has been discussed ad-naseum for 2 years.wydopen said:
Also, way to act your show size and not your age!
I was referring to your name calling, not your comment.wydopen said:
i make sure i know the correct spelling of phrases such as ad nauseum before using them :nuts:Transcend said:Actually when i comment in a thread about a subject, i do make sure I know what I am talking about first. Especially a subject that has been discussed ad-naseum for 2 years.
Also, way to act your show size and not your age!
Have you become the offical grammar/spelling Nazi now?Toshi said:i make sure i know the correct spelling of phrases such as ad nauseum before using them :nuts:
well, "very expensive" is pretty subjective.WheelieMan said:
as to raw numbers and costs to produce being indicated by the Mfr's asking price, look at the Knolly V-Tach, coming to market soon (if not right now, you'd have to ask Noel). The runs are not even close to 250 frames. The price isn't anywhere close to $10k USD.
Honda has much greater manufacturing power, not to mention gigantic economic scale advantages over Knolly Bikes.
it will be interesting to see how the prices compare. I'd guess the Honda will be a bit more expensive simply because it's making such a big deal about having premiered the original and now in its 2d season of UCI use... the global press is much more tuned into the Honda, so that probably enables a higher asking price.
it will be interesting to see.
Honda always have been looking at least 25 years into the future.neversummersnow said:
name a Honda product that flopped.
The Honda kick n' go scooter didn't exactly set the world on fire.gonzostrike said:
nor did that 'motor sound' attacment for bikes.
I don't know if anyone said the Honda would cost 10k. Nobody would buy it if it were that much...gonzostrike said:
Not sure what Knolly has to do with this, but the low production run of the V-Tach is evident in the extremely high price. 3k+ for a frame is alot of money.
I personally don't find the Honda bike that fascinating. Internally geared hubs like the Rohloff and Nexus, and the G-BOXX concept that can be used on many different frames are much more appealing to me.
the hottest bike ever made!! looks incredible just like the CR!
actually, honda could sell those bikes/frames for 10 usd for the first 250 (or any other number) to ppl who are the winners of a draw.
and you know why it is so: because honda (the factory) can live without the extra profit coming out from those bikes.
someone has already mentioned that honda or someone, like kinesis has the tools for this frame, and will produce as many frames as possible with those tools - without making it a mass-product to get the possibility, sell it in the 4000 usd range. who gonna buy a mass-frame for 4000 usd?
so every dollar they make by selling it, would lower the cost of the development. and if they could make more money than the development and marketing costs, without destroying the image "unique bike" they will do so.
i can be wrong, but imho that's the point getting this frame for production.
and you know why it is so: because honda (the factory) can live without the extra profit coming out from those bikes.
someone has already mentioned that honda or someone, like kinesis has the tools for this frame, and will produce as many frames as possible with those tools - without making it a mass-product to get the possibility, sell it in the 4000 usd range. who gonna buy a mass-frame for 4000 usd?
so every dollar they make by selling it, would lower the cost of the development. and if they could make more money than the development and marketing costs, without destroying the image "unique bike" they will do so.
i can be wrong, but imho that's the point getting this frame for production.
what kind of right wing are you talking about? isn the right's position that global warming is fake and god will never let us run out of oil?DVNT said:Are you serious?
That's the mother of all right wing conspiracy theories
Maybe it's as simple as some VP's kid get's a chubby over riding DH.
just jayin.Worst ****ing thread ever. 3 pages of **** talking and not a single person has managed to say anything that they can back up; BS speculation at its very finest. Shuddup and admire the shineyness.
i like boobs. happy fyinfatman? i can back that up. i love boobs. cant get enough of them.
this thread has been hijacked to hell.
hahaha don't we alllovebunny said:
But seriously... 100 odd posts, 50 or so completely speculative theories on what Honda is planning to do with the bike, another 50 BS conspiracy theories, and somewhere in there a whole shïtload of pseudoeconomists who are coming up with inane dribble about whether Honda can manufacture a freakin pushbike at a reasonable cost.
Please people, shut the hell up until you're actually SURE of what you're saying, because this has been the most uninformative, overwanked, unreliable, speculative thread I've ever read.
Here's another pic stolen for Pinkbikes world masters/canada cup story
http://www.pinkbike.com/modules/news/?op=articleview&id=2761
http://www.pinkbike.com/modules/news/?op=articleview&id=2761
And for the record I want this bike for...
A) Showa suspension
B) Gearbox
C) Minnaar dictated geometry
D) It's a Honda...it can't break.
A) Showa suspension
B) Gearbox
C) Minnaar dictated geometry
D) It's a Honda...it can't break.
fixed it for you.neversummersnow said:
banj said:
Hmmm, shimano brakes. Wonder what happened to those other fancy stoppers?
There sure is alot of hype for somthing that not one of us has ridden.
Realistically its just a tuned dh bike with some new parts we havnt used yet and an integrated drivetrain. You guys are looking at a picture of it and claiming its going to be the greatest bike ever. Only a handful of riders have had experience on it and you have to take their opinion with a grain of salt anyway.
It could be an amazing bike, but we arnt going to know until it comes out. Honda isnt a perfect company, thats impossible they have made errors in the past and you just never know.
Realistically its just a tuned dh bike with some new parts we havnt used yet and an integrated drivetrain. You guys are looking at a picture of it and claiming its going to be the greatest bike ever. Only a handful of riders have had experience on it and you have to take their opinion with a grain of salt anyway.
It could be an amazing bike, but we arnt going to know until it comes out. Honda isnt a perfect company, thats impossible they have made errors in the past and you just never know.
Thanks!dante said:fixed it for you.
A few reasons why Honda might be building the bike:
1. They can't beat Valentino Rossi so they need to look elsewhere for a 1st
place finish
2. Honda likes to see the Honda name on things
3. They can
1. They can't beat Valentino Rossi so they need to look elsewhere for a 1st
place finish
2. Honda likes to see the Honda name on things
3. They can
I was referring to the chamionship, where Hayden is not a player:bagtagley said:
1. Rossi 236pts
2. Melandri 116pts
3. Gibernau 115pts
4. Edwards 114pts
5. Biaggi 113pts
6. Barros 101pts
7. Hayden 101pts
Besides, Gibernau is the guy Rossi has vowed not to let win another race.
yeah, well, you have a point, but the one thing worth mentioning is that the cage for the gearbox is a plastic mold, and it's two piece and asymetrical...that means there are two parts and two molds...that's expensive as ****, and no one in the DH industry could afford it.....also....are you sure that the frame is made by kinesis, or are you especulating??bizutch said: