1. The message you have entered is too short. Please lengthen your message to at least 5 characters.bizutch said:Quit being logical... it ruins the e-fun......
1. The message you have entered is too short. Please lengthen your message to at least 5 characters.bizutch said:Quit being logical... it ruins the e-fun......
bizutch said:You guys are the biggest bunch of e-specs ever- Honda's not making the bike,it's being outsourced, etc.You should reference your knowledge of this subject, seeing as you know exactly whats going on.
Thank you! Thats about the only thing in ths thread that makes any sense other than the post about outsourcing. But even the outsourcing aspect is included in the "bigger picture" that you have alluded to. The truth is, assuming that Honda is going to sell it, NOBODY KNOWS WHY!!! There are a lot of reasons for a company like Honda to get into a new market. Part of it may have to do with expected MX crossover. Or, they may look at it as a project that will gain them free exposure in MX mags. They may not give a damn about mtb riding at all. The only published article that I have read on it said that it was built as an excercise to get their designers to think outside the box. Who know's. I honnestly hope that the bike will provide the mtb industry with a much-needed shot in the arm.OGRipper said:The oil theory is interesting but might be giving Honda too much credit.
As for the cost, a company as big as Honda will no doubt sell these bikes at a loss when entering the market. It's called a loss leader, most of you know what that is. It's possible that they are just winging it but much more likely that they have a longe-range plan pursuant to which they don't expect to see profits or break even for a long time. So they can have a target MSRP lower than actual unit cost, especially to start when the unit cost is higher.
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Funny, you are Repack in the Boston area, I used to live in Boston and now I ride Repack now and then out here in Cali. Uh yeah. Well it's funny to me.Repack said:
here is a hint - search. Big thread on this before, they have already said it WILL be going into production. And now a pre production/production bike is on display. sheesh.wydopen said:id bet that the only reason honda built this bike was to test suspension for moto applications...i doubt a production model will ever be built
Actually when i comment in a thread about a subject, i do make sure I know what I am talking about first. Especially a subject that has been discussed ad-naseum for 2 years.wydopen said:do u do a search before every comment u make...sorry i missed that little bit of info..u seem more like an ebitch than an ebully..
Transcend said:Also, way to act your show size and not your age!
I was referring to your name calling, not your comment.wydopen said:wtf????..i obviously didnt know that "they" said there was gonna be a production bike or i wouldnt have said it...
i make sure i know the correct spelling of phrases such as ad nauseum before using them :nuts:Transcend said:Actually when i comment in a thread about a subject, i do make sure I know what I am talking about first. Especially a subject that has been discussed ad-naseum for 2 years.
Also, way to act your show size and not your age!
Have you become the offical grammar/spelling Nazi now?Toshi said:i make sure i know the correct spelling of phrases such as ad nauseum before using them :nuts:
i haven't had much time to actually post content to the boards, and i notice these things anyway. plus fraser's my e-buddy so i'm allowed to bust his balls, especially when he's trying to call someone out himself.:Jeenyus:. said:Have you become the offical grammar/spelling Nazi now?
well, "very expensive" is pretty subjective.WheelieMan said:Doesn't matter how capable Honda's manufacturing ability is. When you produce only 250 of something, it's going to be very expensive. (not sure who quoted that number or if it's even accurate)
Honda always have been looking at least 25 years into the future.neversummersnow said:Doubtfull, Asian companies run a bit differently than US companies.
Oil IS a resource, and the demand for it now is 10 times what it was 25 years ago. India and China both are growing faster than you'de care to believe.
2 Stroke dirtbikes are done with, 20 years from now trail riding a 4 stroke may also be a thing of the past. .
The snowfall/rising temps thing may or may not be true. The report was accurate, but the sample size (last 80 years) may not be long enough to report "true" findings.
Open your eyes, the world is changing
The Honda kick n' go scooter didn't exactly set the world on fire.gonzostrike said:Honda always have been looking at least 25 years into the future.
name a Honda product that flopped.
That Honda dude in Mike Tyson's Punch-Out was pretty weak.gonzostrike said:Honda always have been looking at least 25 years into the future.
name a Honda product that flopped.
I don't know if anyone said the Honda would cost 10k. Nobody would buy it if it were that much...gonzostrike said:well, "very expensive" is pretty subjective.
as to raw numbers and costs to produce being indicated by the Mfr's asking price, look at the Knolly V-Tach, coming to market soon (if not right now, you'd have to ask Noel). The runs are not even close to 250 frames. The price isn't anywhere close to $10k USD.
Honda has much greater manufacturing power, not to mention gigantic economic scale advantages over Knolly Bikes.
it will be interesting to see how the prices compare. I'd guess the Honda will be a bit more expensive simply because it's making such a big deal about having premiered the original and now in its 2d season of UCI use... the global press is much more tuned into the Honda, so that probably enables a higher asking price.
it will be interesting to see.
del sol?gonzostrike said:Honda always have been looking at least 25 years into the future.
name a Honda product that flopped.
what kind of right wing are you talking about? isn the right's position that global warming is fake and god will never let us run out of oil? just jayin.DVNT said:Are you serious?
That's the mother of all right wing conspiracy theories
Maybe it's as simple as some VP's kid get's a chubby over riding DH.
hahaha don't we alllovebunny said:i like boobs. happy fyinfatman? i can back that up. i love boobs. cant get enough of them.
fixed it for you.neversummersnow said:And for the record I want this bike for...
A) Showa suspension
B) Gearbox
C) Minnaar dictated geometry
D) It's a Honda...it can't break.
E) Coffee can as a muffler
F) HUGE non-aerodynamic wing
G) Mismatched ground effects
banj said:Here's another pic stolen for Pinkbikes world masters/canada cup story
Hayden beat him at Laguna Seca.Tarpon said:A few reasons why Honda might be building the bike:
1. They can't beat Valentino Rossi so they need to look elsewhere for a 1st
place finish.
I was referring to the chamionship, where Hayden is not a player:bagtagley said:Hayden beat him at Laguna Seca.
He needs to savor the flavor, cause it ain't happenin' again.
yeah, well, you have a point, but the one thing worth mentioning is that the cage for the gearbox is a plastic mold, and it's two piece and asymetrical...that means there are two parts and two molds...that's expensive as ****, and no one in the DH industry could afford it.....also....are you sure that the frame is made by kinesis, or are you especulating??bizutch said:You guys are the biggest bunch of e-specs ever. Everybody keeps talking about Honda's manufacturing capabilities...you're missing something. They aren't manufacturing it. They're ordering it all.
Frames - ordered from Kinesis or whatever Asian mass builder gets the contract
Suspension - ordered from Showa, Kawa, Kayaba, Kablahblah...
Components - ordered from Easton, Shimano, Bibbinoni....
What particular piece of this bike do you think is so technologicly advanced and beyond the manufacturing capacity of current vendors....is Honda gonna waste their time to set up in house? NONE OF IT. It is all just pieces they design....then order.
There is one thing about this bike that is OEM and that is the movement and placement of the tranny...and they probably won't even set up any assembly line to put that together...it will get outsourced too. Hell, I'd about be willing to bet that before that thing gets packed in a box, it might not even pass through a single facility that has the Honda logo so much as on the building.
Honda just organizes all the madness of the pieces better than everybody else in the most cost effective, efficient, quality manner...
OH...and they put the little "wingie" sticker logo on it...that's worth like $5.00 minimum.