I felt the same way. I post this about Mallet's a while ago on Hcor.
See here:
http://www.hcor.net/postlite17755-.html
See here:
http://www.hcor.net/postlite17755-.html
Then Cedric lent me his pedals and i switched! Make it 130 pros + 1 guy with a pro license.syadasti said:I was told about 33 pros switched from other pedals to the Crankbrothers last year. This year 130 pros switched. Among those who switched - Anne Caroline and Cedric Gracia...
For those that don't get it - not only are they some of the best riders out there, but they are also French...
Time is a French company - its a big deal![]()
well that it...that means they are the best everTranscend said:Peaty is also on mallets btw
Acadian said:well that it...that means they are the best ever
*Acadian runs out the door to go buy a set of Mallets*
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wow...good thing he was using Mallets!!Transcend said:Well he DID win ste anne again on them,..3rd year in a row he has won it on 3 diff courses. Ha, he also crashed so hard his leg turned black and he couldnt party after his win. Andy partied twice as hard to make up for it tho!
ya cuz otherwise..he may have uh...blown up another pair of shimanos or something.Acadian said:wow...good thing he was using Mallets!!
Dude I saw your mom riding toe clips at the bmx track yesterday.Transcend said:ya cuz otherwise..he may have uh...blown up another pair of shimanos or something.neaky:
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syadasti said:I was told about 33 pros switched from other pedals to the Crankbrothers last year. This year 130 pros switched. Among those who switched - Anne Caroline and Cedric Gracia...
For those that don't get it - not only are they some of the best riders out there, but they are also French...
Time is a French company - its a big deal
Also Steve Peat and Kirt Voreis are riding them this year...
from: http://www.bikemag.com/freshproduce/seaotter_products/
Yeah the point is they choose Crankbrothers over Time though - both non-Shimano. Even better - the French riders choose non-French pedals with a French option available.General Lee said:and it's just a coincidance that 95% of the guys who switched are on SRAM sponsored teams. . . . . yeah, that surely had nothing to do with using something other than shimano
No it's a proven fact that times are better.syadasti said:Both Time and Crankbrothers (more so) pedals work better in the mud than Shimano - no question about that...
and you got data to back that up..syadasti said:Yeah the point is they choose Crankbrothers over Time though...
And the important part is that Peat is English and doesn't drink scotch which is even made with peat and that Stella is french which proves that scotch tape is the superior adhesive, not like Time would know anything about that....geesh, I mean they can't even get the design right from the original crank brothers who have been around for so long that they had to invent mountains so that they could ride their mountain bikes (none of which the americans even use on the pro circuit by the way).Acadian said:and you got data to back that up..![]()
hey I hear Peat drinks lots of Stella...gonna buy me a case and drink plenty of it before going to Whislter next week...Kidwoo, you better be ready to chase some Acadian down the hills! if it makes he fast, should be me fast as too
See what I mean? Even more reason to buy it. Peat's not even belgian!!!!Dog Welder said:Incorrect...stella isn't French...its Belgian.
I see, Anne Caroline and Cedric Gracia are not French - sorry I must be so stupid - they must be GermanAcadian said:and you got data to back that up..![]()
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I was being sarcastic Josh...but I still doubt they "choose" to run Mallets over Times. I'm sure they would be happy with either but I assume the Crank Bro deal/package was more appealing, not the pedal itself.syadasti said:I see, Anne Caroline and Cedric Gracia are not French - sorry I must be so stupid - they must be German![]()
Yeah, no doubt, and Cedric rides a Cannondale because they are the best,Acadian said:I was being sarcastic Josh...but I still doubt they "choose" to run Mallets over Times. I'm sure they would be happy with either but I assume the Crank Bro deal/package was more appealing, not the pedal itself.
I know the Mallets are better though...Acadian said:I was being sarcastic Josh...but I still doubt they "choose" to run Mallets over Times. I'm sure they would be happy with either but I assume the Crank Bro deal/package was more appealing, not the pedal itself.
I don't see Crankbrothers as one of their official sponsorsJeremy R said:Yeah, no doubt, and Cedric rides a Cannondale because they are the best,
not because they pay him. Of course.![]()
OK, I'll bite.syadasti said:I don't see Crankbrothers as one of their official sponsorsBryn was interested in mine and I wasn't offering him any money or pushing them, he just saw them on my bike and asked...
I'll also add to this...Jeremy R said:OK, I'll bite.
For all I know they may be better.
So I ask this seriously, what did you like better about the CB's over the Time Z's.
The reason that I ask is because I can't find any faults with the Times.
I just stomp on them and go.
The day I bought the Z's, I actually held both the Z and CB pedal in my hand, and I bought the Times for 2 reasons. One, because the pedal is more narrow which means I will hit it on less stuff, and two, because I had used Time in the past on my trail bike, and they worked perfect.
So, I just went with what I knew.
CB has been stronger in my experience (haven't broken one yet while I did break one of my Z with a minor hit - didn't even notice it until the end of the run when I unclipped). CB is cheaper. CB is easier to get rebuild parts. CB has better customer service. CB has replaceable armor plates instead of grinding/chipping front of pedal. CB has shaped/forged mechanism wings - Time didn't have those until this year and they aren't on the Zs. CB you can click in from more directions. Mud cleaning/clearance is better on CB. I prefer the platform shape on the CB - seems more stable unclipped - one of the few platforms that doesn't feel like crap when you aren't unclipped - I don't know if its the profile or the armor plate, but it does feel better...Jeremy R said:OK, I'll bite.
For all I know they may be better.
So I ask this seriously, what did you like better about the CB's over the Time Z's.
The reason that I ask is because I can't find any faults with the Times.
I just stomp on them and go.
The day I bought the Z's, I actually held both the Z and CB pedal in my hand, and I bought the Times for 2 reasons. One, because the pedal is more narrow which means I will hit it on less stuff, and two, because I had used Time in the past on my trail bike, and they worked perfect.
So, I just went with what I knew.
We aren't riding XC are we? The newer Times have a new body shape and forged wings like the CB (they look like they actually improved upon the CB forging idea). I would say the tolerances/quality on the new Time XC pedals definately look better than the CB.Acadian said:I'll also add to this...
Lately I've been reading more XC/trail oriented mags since I'm kindda getting into that a bit more nowadays - there's been lots of pedal reviews lately and times seem to get better ratings than CB.
syadasti said:CB has been stronger in my experience (haven't broken one yet while I did break one of my Z with a minor hit - didn't even notice it until the end of the run when I unclipped). CB is cheaper. CB is easier to get rebuild parts. CB has better customer service. CB has replaceable armor plates instead of grinding/chipping front of pedal. CB has shaped/forged mechanism wings - Time didn't have those until this year and they aren't on the Zs. CB you can click in from more directions. Mud cleaning/clearance is better on CB. I prefer the platform shape on the CB - seems more stable unclipped - one of the few platforms that doesn't feel like crap when you aren't unclipped - I don't know if its the profile or the armor plate, but it does feel better...
Your cleat area on your shoe was no good (interference problems). If you actually read the directions, they tell you you'll have those problems if the cleat area isn't big enough or is too deep and thats why they give you the shims. I have all the shims they include on my northwaves and they don't engage very well (I also had issues on my Zs with them). My Shimano hiker style shoes work perfect. Hematomas would be a good choice - they have shorter tread and a nice cleat area - I think they are designed with platform clipless in mind.Tame Ape said:I had CB and couldn't not unclip consistently until I was on the ground. For this reason I have gone back to Shimano due to less float and variable spring tension.
Most likely tread on the side are too deep (where the platform rests) - you have to push down hard to get clipped-in.Acadian said:On my shimano Carbon's I dremelled the sole + use the shims and like you're northwaves they still are hard to clip in! I really wonder why that is since there is no threads or extra material to interfere?
It had something to do with the sole of the shoe. I'll grant you that. But, 15 degrees of float had me a 45 degree angle by the time my foot came loose. When I'm tipped like that, its not hard to roll an ankle harshly.syadasti said:Your cleat area on your shoe was no good (interference problems). If you actually read the directions, they tell you you'll have those problems if the cleat area isn't big enough or is too deep and thats why they give you the shims. I have all the shims they include on my northwaves and they don't engage very well (I also had issues on my Zs with them). My Shimano hiker style shoes work perfect. Hematomas would be a good choice - they have shorter tread high and a nice cleat area - I think they are designed with platform clipless in mind.
I bet if I didn't bother to read recommendations and put a 888 on a 5-spot, it wouldn't work very well - gee, the 5-spot must suck![]()
Hmm, I don't recall but aren't you Ethan? You do a good job crashing on your own, no need to blame your pedals or lack of reading comprehension![]()
You know its from the sole of the shoe. If you read the instructions it would tell you not all shoes work well their pedals. Sorry about the reading problems...Tame Ape said:It had something to do with the sole of the shoe. I'll grant you that...
Josh, I would hardly blame reading comprehension for a product that I did not like. I could not consistently clip in because the binding keeps friggin' rotating and and 'feel' is different every time.
CB's HQ is not in NJ and never was at any period of time. I believe they are in Laguna Beach, CA ATM...I did not like the product. I will not like the product simply because you are unrelenting in your support. I am glad you introduce CB to Bryn, I 'm sure that since CB's HQ is in Vernon Ridge, NJ he never would have seen them otherwise.![]()
hard to clip in or out of?
shoe interference is the likely problem. are your shoes new? even if they're not brand new, this could still be the issue. Some shoes have a tread that is higher than average which can cause interference with the pedal. please try to click in your shoes when you're not wearing them and see if it appears there is excessive contact between the tread and the pedal. if this is the case, then you can do one of two things:
a) use the shims. these are provided in the package: thin, black plastic pieces that are the same shape as the cleats. the shims go between the shoe and the cleat. this makes the cleat raise out farther from the sole, making it easier to clip into the pedal. the mallet c comes with 2 shims for each cleat. try using both shims under the cleat.
b) slightly trim the shoe tread (in the contact area only) using a sharp knife or a sanding wheel. please be careful and only go a little at a time. the tread should make contact with the pedal, but not so much that the tread is compressed (which causes difficulty clicking in).
:durrrr:syadasti said:CB's HQ is not in NJ and never was at any period of time. I believe they are in Laguna Beach, CA ATM...
:heart: :heart: :heart:syadasti said:Sorry about the reading problems...
Thats about as dumb as saying a fork maker sucks cause the fork isn't setup perfectly for your weight out of the box - you have to get the right springs and make sure it setup right...
Riding with you is torture enough...Tame Ape said:edit: RM is slow for me. It is making it slower to tease to you...
Acadian said:On my shimano Carbon's I dremelled the sole + use the shims and like you're northwaves they still are hard to clip in! I really wonder why that is since there is no threads or extra material to interfere?
That's true of most biking products these days - its hard to buy a suspension design that sucks - they all work pretty good these days. There is still a difference and there is still one company that is better than another...Jeremy R said:In my opinion, all this talk about the huge differences between all these pedals is bunk. They all work, and they all have very minor differences that anybody who is not a total spaz could get use to in 10 minutes.