[gemini2k]

Dude,your so full of ****.Enough already.

No dude, it's basic welding and mechanical design. No matter how good at welding they are, it's f-ing hard. Problem is in the design. But what does hacktastic know? Just nearly a decade of Mechanical engineering, machining, and welding experience in multiple industries.

 

[Da Peach]

It's not Intenses fault really. It's just that trying to get a front triangle made of two half-shells welded and aligned dead on straight so the swingarm lines up in line with it is REALLY damn hard to do. Any tiny bit that the two sides of each of those front triangle pivots aren't lined up is amplified at the rear wheel. Makes for a pretty bike, but that's about it really.

Being that the type of construction is a pretty fundamental design decision, doesn't that make it ENTIRELY Intense's fault? The fact that they can't necessarily BUILD their design properly is also their fault, ultimately.

Also makes it ugly IMO.

Having not known about the QC issues with the M9, be them recent or old, I once again change my vote to TR450.

They're putting the M9s on sale for a reason I guess.

 

[SCARY]

I get it,I'm a welder by trade.I get it.

Make a negative comment and get on with it already,is was getting at.It just gets old,quick.

And no,people don't fawn over my bike.It's red and has all the stickers.That's not cool,I hear.

 

[Lelandjt]

Hmm, I haven't personally seen an M9 with allignment issues. Is it a random thing, like 1 in 20 frames?. How do you know if your frame has issues, quickly wearing pivots?

 

[SCARY]

You DO have alignment issues,you just don't know it.Its impossible not to ,cuz the whole process is very hard and there is no way to fix such an ill-thought out concept,especially when you're still welding your frames on your kitchen table.

 

[Kanye West]

Being that the type of construction is a pretty fundamental design decision, doesn't that make it ENTIRELY Intense's fault? The fact that they can't necessarily BUILD their design properly is also their fault, ultimately.

Well, no fault of the welders is what I was getting at. It's true that design decision is elective.

 

[Capricorn]

since a big harp song dance was made of these alleged alignment issues, what's been happening back in the real world that warrants the song and dance? Seriously.

 

[tabletop84]

It's not Intenses fault really. It's just that trying to get a front triangle made of two half-shells welded and aligned dead on straight so the swingarm lines up in line with it is REALLY damn hard to do. Any tiny bit that the two sides of each of those front triangle pivots aren't lined up is amplified at the rear wheel. Makes for a pretty bike, but that's about it really.

Was just wondering because I bought a bike that costs less than the frame of an M9 and it's frame was misaligned too. The manufacturer has taken care of it and the bike is on the way back to me but it still has a visual flaw. But it's funny cause obviously the high end brands aren't really any better in that respect.

 

[kickstand]

Leaning more and more towards the transition. Is there a characteristic of the bike that would make you NOT choose it?

I like the idea that it is progressive, sounds a bit poppier, also should still plow over **** plenty good compared to my big hit, it looks sweet, and the more reading I have done, the more it sounds like the transition is built a bit better?

I am NOT dogging the M9, but i'll admit, it seems there are a lot MORE M9's out there, which will bring out more problems, but from the talk of alignment issues, box links, clicking and clanging in the linkage, it may be a bit too much maintenance for my likings....

I'm still almost at flip a coin status though, with a slight lean towards tr450

 

[Lelandjt]

Digs on the TR450: Heavy, though similar to M9. Linkage pivots are right in front of the tire where they'll take constant spray. I hate seeing designs like this with no mud guard. TR450 owners, does this cause the pivots to wear out?

 

[SthFRider]

I've had mine for over two years and have ridden in all sorts of condition. I clean my bike after muddy rides and i haven't had to replace a then. Still a smooth as the day i got it.

 

[jackalope]

Mine is actually an old Spesh Enduro fender that surprisingly fits almost perfectly. As Sth indicated above, it may not make a difference, but I can now point and laugh at new DHR owners armed with my RM fender smugness.

I think Manhatten Project was also working on another option (old V-10 one perhaps), but don't know how it turned out.

 

[kickstand]

what size spring does the tr450 take?

 

[FCLinder]

what size spring does the tr450 take?

I am 170lbs and 450lb feels great.

Cecil

 

[FCLinder]

Love my TR450

Cecil

 

[canadmos]

TR450 owners, does this cause the pivots to wear out?

Mine were pooched after a season and a half of riding. That was with using no mud guard of any sort and numerous washings of the bike with a hose. I usually washed it, wiped off some of the excess water and tossed it in the shed. It did well and the bearings themselves never actually siezed. Heck, the bike even survived a few 6 hour storms traveling from Toronto to Bromont, then being ridden in the rain and mud for 3 days straight.

I loved the bike and it took all of my falls. The frame never dented, no bolts ever came loose, the rear axle never moved etc etc. It wasn't the lightest, but it never gave me any problems.

Another good thing is Transition's warranty. Lifetime crash replacement.

And then there is there customer service. Sure, sometimes when I have sent an email it has taken a day or two, but they have always replied and been helpful. The bearing packages are also not too expensive and they ship them pretty fast. When I ordered replacements, they were at my door before I had even recieved confirmation of the order being placed.

Sadly I had to sell mine to pay tuition at college. As soon as I graduate, I'm buying another Tr450.

But on an upbeat, my bike lives on and is enjoying a second life in Whistler.....

http://www.pinkbike.com/video/264144

Thats my take anyways, I have not ridden those other bikes.

 

[jackalope]

190 lbs and I'm running a 500 lb spring and getting the sag I want without too much preload. It's a 9.5 X 3.0 shock btw

 

[kickstand]

I am 170lbs and 450lb feels great.

Cecil

I think I saw you at massanutten? 450 sounds like a good starting point

 

[toodles]

My TR450 was brilliantly made and very reliable. The bearings are all stock, off the shelf units so when they do die they cost very little to replace. Mine lasted over a year easy with numerous jet washings. Another plus is that the frame has one of the best lateral stiffnesses of any bike I've ridden.

 

[FCLinder]

I think I saw you at massanutten? 450 sounds like a good starting point

Yep, I was there.

Cecil

 

[kickstand]

I think I briefly spoke to you about your bike, I don't think I saw any other tr450's

 

[FCLinder]

I think I briefly spoke to you about your bike, I don't think I saw any other tr450's

Think just me and my Jr Rider Josh Standish were on TR450s. Both Yellow.

Cecil

 

[kickstand]

Think just me and my Jr Rider Josh Standish were on TR450s. Both Yellow.

Cecil

well, I saw a yellow one haha.

I ordered a TR450. Hoping to have it built in time for snowshoe#2

 

[frorider]

i think Cambria bike has most transitions, incl the TR450, for 25% off right now....

 

[IH8Rice]

i think Cambria bike has most transitions, incl the TR450, for 25% off right now....

whats the diff b/w the V1 and V2.5 they mention on their site?

 

[canadmos]

I think the difference is the way the axle is bolted to the frame and a little bit of weight be shaved off

 

[kickstand]

i think Cambria bike has most transitions, incl the TR450, for 25% off right now....

it didn't appear they had a tr450 in a medium when I looked earlier, regardless, I already paid. So far the dealer I am working with has been really good on communications and as a butthole customer I really like a dealer who keeps me informed and answers my questions.

 

[DirtMcGirk]

My dealer had mine to me in a week. I was pleased.

 

[SthFRider]

well, I saw a yellow one haha.

I ordered a TR450. Hoping to have it built in time for snowshoe#2

You won't be disappointed.

 

[FCLinder]

well, I saw a yellow one haha.

I ordered a TR450. Hoping to have it built in time for snowshoe#2

Nice!! You will love it. If you have any questions about setup, feel free to hit me up.

Cecil

 

[kickstand]

whats the diff b/w the V1 and V2.5 they mention on their site?

Old thread, but to answer this question. The V1 bikes to my knowledge did not have the adjustable wheelbase and gemoetry chips for the shock. The v2.5 bikes allow you to position rear axle in 3 spots, as well as the shock