[ianjenn]

So looks like a number of brands may go this route with Trail/Enduro bikes. I spoke with Rob before he announced the Taniwha way back when and when I asked why no high pivot he said efficiency loss. I said this might be a bad move along with the pricing. Turns out I may have been right just thinking the cost is most prohibitive for people and Zerode.

This is a HOPE bike what do you guys think.....

 

[djjohnr]

I'm down. The mid-high horst setup on my Shore is fantastic. It smooths out the chunk better than any other design I've had time on, it's one of the most active under braking I've come across, and it hasn't been a major liability in corners. Getting the front end up was more difficult at first, but like most things I've adapted to it. I'd like to try that design on a dedicated mullet frame to see if increased rollover from the high pivot makes up for the smaller rear wheel.

 

[canadmos]

The Shore is a nice looking bike. Our local hill has a fleet of them for rentals, the rainbow coloured ones. I definitely want to try one out...

 

[englertracing]

So looks like a number of brands may go this route with Trail/Enduro bikes. I spoke with Rob before he announced the Taniwha way back when and when I asked why no high pivot he said efficiency loss. I said this might be a bad move along with the pricing. Turns out I may have been right just thinking the cost is most prohibitive for people and Zerode.

This is a HOPE bike what do you guys think.....View attachment 163149

I Hope it works better than their breaks.
Lol
Looks cool.
I can never look at a high pivot bike without thinking it needs a lower roller guide

 

[kidwoo]

I can never look at a high pivot bike and think LOL you're too young to remember that this has all been done before and abandoned for a reason.

Fine for a coaster/dh bike. Dumb as fuck on a trail bike.

But hey, pit vipers and fanny packs. The douchestache and tight pants are a mainstay, just waiting for lightweight elastomer suspension to be used as a performance advantage because "akkshuallly......".

 

[HardtailHack]

I can never look at a high pivot bike and think LOL you're too young to remember that this has all been done before and abandoned for a reason.

Because we didn't have 29ers with a large BB drop measurement?

 

[kidwoo]

large BB drop measurement?

that makes the bad part worse

 

[englertracing]

But hey, pit vipers and fanny packs. The douchestache and tight pants are a mainstay, just waiting for lightweight elastomer suspension to be used as a performance advantage because "akkshuallly......".

Coming soon to a gravel bike near you...

 

[djjohnr]

I can never look at a high pivot bike and think LOL you're too young to remember that this has all been done before and abandoned for a reason.

Fine for a coaster/dh bike. Dumb as fuck on a trail bike.

But hey, pit vipers and fanny packs. The douchestache and tight pants are a mainstay, just waiting for lightweight elastomer suspension to be used as a performance advantage because "akkshuallly......".

Have you tried one of the mid-highs? IE, with a main pivot that's not up by the toptube?

 

[rideit]

Coming soon to a gravel bike near you...

You mean a DownGravel bike

 

[Jm_]

I can never look at a high pivot bike and think LOL you're too young to remember that this has all been done before and abandoned for a reason.

Fine for a coaster/dh bike. Dumb as fuck on a trail bike.

But hey, pit vipers and fanny packs. The douchestache and tight pants are a mainstay, just waiting for lightweight elastomer suspension to be used as a performance advantage because "akkshuallly......".

 

[jstuhlman]

You mean a DownGravel bike

pssssst. gravduro. you heard it here first.

 

[kidwoo]

They are coasting machines, not pedaling machines. Like I said, legitimate discussion for dh bikes, dumb as shit for xc apps. And yes your endurpadurp is xc.

 

[rideit]

Great, now I’m hungry for Gravlox and crackers.

 

[kidwoo]

Have you tried one of the mid-highs? IE, with a main pivot that's not up by the toptube?

Ill just leave this here

https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/users/19473/setup_checks/18764/photos/2079/s780_Canfield_Brothers_Big_Fat_Fatty_Fat.jpg?1352331395

 

[englertracing]

@kidwoo

 

[englertracing]

Ill just leave this here

https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/users/19473/setup_checks/18764/photos/2079/s780_Canfield_Brothers_Big_Fat_Fatty_Fat.jpg?1352331395

I want to enduro that NAO with an @Sandwich approved forward offset dropper

 

[kidwoo]

@kidwoo
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you want to place a 1k bet on where trailbike designs in 10 years settle? Im a petty bitch so Ill follow through. It definitely will not be this shit.

Whats that 2nd pic? Some dentist finance extraction device?

 

[Jm_]

you want to place a 1k bet on where trailbike ebike designs in 10 years settle? Im a petty bitch so Ill follow through. It definitely will not be this shit.

Efficiency won't matter.

 

[rideit]

Ill just leave this here

https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/users/19473/setup_checks/18764/photos/2079/s780_Canfield_Brothers_Big_Fat_Fatty_Fat.jpg?1352331395

Reach is too long, that’ll never catch on

 

[Westy]

Ill just leave this here

https://p.vitalmtb.com/photos/users/19473/setup_checks/18764/photos/2079/s780_Canfield_Brothers_Big_Fat_Fatty_Fat.jpg?1352331395

Dude.

NSFW tag please

 

[kidwoo]

Efficiency won't matter.

I keep forgetting motors are mountainbiking now......you might be right

 

[englertracing]

you want to place a 1k bet on where trailbike designs in 10 years settle?

Whats that 2nd pic? Some dentist finance extraction device?

No bet.

That's an elastomer rear suspension for a gravelduro...

 

[rideit]

Kent Ericson was a pioneer (but designs like that have been around for over a century, the industry just needed a material breakthrough).

 

[Westy]

 

[englertracing]

So are URTs next? To come back?

 

[Happymtb.fr]

Some people explained that mid-high pivot on 29er creates a similar wheelpath as to 26" back in the days that is slightly rearward at first and then mostly vertical.
If so, it might bring back some good memories to @kidwoo

 

[iRider]

Some people explained that mid-high pivot on 29er creates a similar wheelpath as to 26" back in the days that is slightly rearward at first and then mostly vertical.
If so, it might bring back some good memories to @kidwoo

Mmh, now I see even less need to upgrade to waggon wheelz.

 

[Sandwich]

I'm tempted by some of these high pivot designs, like the druid...but I'm pretty content with a well designed frame with good kinematics. Crisp pedaling response that doesn't do anything wrong is a pretty nice bike. There are enough places to make up improvements in weight and stiffness. A lot of the really generic frames are absolutely nailing pivot placement and stumbling into decent shock rate. A fucking Marin that might ride OK right out of the box? Is that why the micro companies keep getting really stupid with their designs...everything else works?

 

[kidwoo]

Proof of concept failure

1. Sammich is intrigued
2. Marin was just referenced non-sarcastically
3. An industry that tries to sell you a 1mm wider hub as an improvement now has some 'interesting ideas'

 

[ianjenn]

 

[jackalope]

What really needs to happen is for Cascade to make an aftermarket HP kit that bolts on to the seat tube. I'd put one on my hardtail provided it has oil slick hardware to match my Pit Vipers.

 

[Redwood Mulch Chucker]

Better hitch a few more horses, the wagon is getting heavy!
https://www.vitalmtb.com/news/press-release/GT-Launches-All-New-2022-Force-Carbon-Enduro-Machine,4667

 

[Jm_]

What really needs to happen is for Cascade to make an aftermarket HP kit that bolts on to the seat tube. I'd put one on my hardtail provided it has oil slick hardware to match my Pit Vipers.

Or like a sliding pivot on a seat tube rail

 

[6thElement]

What really needs to happen is for Cascade to make an aftermarket HP kit that bolts on to the seat tube. I'd put one on my hardtail provided it has oil slick hardware to match my Pit Vipers.

They'd get sued by Trek for their new Virtual High Pivot.

 

[rideit]

Have to admit, If there were a big demo day at Targhee (ideal mix of climbing/dh/lift served) I would try a few to get my own impressions.

 

[6thElement]

No issues or complaints so far with my Commencal Supreme DH bike, but I'm not trying to pedal that 30 miles.

On the trail bikes it sounds like the idlers don't last long enough for me to want one (basing that on reading Druid and Deviate stuff on emptybeer).

 

[fwp]

I was never a fan of Specialized or they're never ending cult of fanboys.
I was intrigued when pretty much every reviewer/ publication I read was gushing over the performance of the 2020 Enduro.
For once, Not the usual word games reviews play to keep all the manufacturers happy.
They all agreed the 2020 Enduro was on another level, by a wide margin.
I would be curious to see how the new crop of high pivots compare?

 

[jonKranked]

No issues or complaints so far with my Commencal Supreme DH bike, but I'm not trying to pedal that 30 miles.

On the trail bikes it sounds like the idlers don't last long enough for me to want one (basing that on reading Druid and Deviate stuff on emptybeer).

the bigger problem here is that you're reading emptybeer

 

[ianjenn]

https://www.pinkbike.com/news/first-ride-2022-gt-force-carbon.html