Actually, I wear the sides out. Generally the center tread isn't in bad shape.
What Tire Are People Running on 35-40mm Rims?
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So on my bike (Traverse SL Fattie rims) at 30psi, the 2.3 Butcher and Slaughter Grid tires measure 58-59mm at the casing, 57-58mm at the tread. Those are tires that have been broken-in and ridden. New tires will measure smaller. If you go with Control tires, they'll stretch an additional mm or two.
No plans for 2.5 trail tires right now. Would you want some?
so that means the casing is 1-2mm wider than the tread. how does that compare to current (traditional?) setups (i.e. a 2.3 tire on a i23mm rim? My initial reaction has me wondering whether the new setup exposes sidewalls to more damage...
Most modern tires are designed with slightly wider tread than casings and for a 19-21mm rim. On a 23mm rim, you'll see those same casings measure closer to 55-56mm, with the tread still 57-58. As you go wider in rim size, the casing is spread out, but the tread width stays pretty consistent.
Yes, the wider casing exposes the sidewalls more. Whether or not that's an issue depends on a lot of things like location, trail conditions, riding style, and everything else that can normally go into tire selection.
Yes, the wider casing exposes the sidewalls more. Whether or not that's an issue depends on a lot of things like location, trail conditions, riding style, and everything else that can normally go into tire selection.
No. What would be better though is a butcher SX tread size on a grid casing tire though.
edit: in the right wheelsize!
Just to help clarify the ambiguity, woo means 650b and 29"
36"!!!
2.5" trail tires!? way too small. I'm running 60mm rims and need 3" Ikons to go with.
It doesn't have to be a 2.5 per say but I would like something larger than 2.3...I know actual widths vary from brand to brand and model to model for that matter. Maxxis for example is what I run and have always run. I feel like I'm pigeonholed into running 2.4 HR2's in the front as the 2.3 minion (only size in 650b) on a 30mm rim is too narrow...I looked at some butchers mounted up on some 27id rims last weekend and that looked to be the ideal rim width to me for those tires..Dont think I would run one up front in a 2.3 for that reason..
Keep in mind I'm riding rough rocky trails and I push my front end pretty hard so a bigger tire makes sense but you would think with the enduro market people would be looking for some dh size/trail bike weight tires...I know wtb is making some serious meats but I just can't bring myself to run those..I like my sideknobs to all be in a row
Just to be clear my idea of "trail" riding is downhill but I ride to the top...usually as fast as I can
you could always get narrower rims 
Pics?
Let us know how they ride? I have a buddy show up to a ride with Derby rims recently. Other buddies were on fatbikes (shudder). For a minute (it was dark), I thought he'd turned his Mojo SLR into a fatbike. They seem huge. He didn't have much to say about the rims after the ride other than they were great. He was on Easton EC90s before, so he practically doubled rim width. My main concern is loss of liveliness, and sidewall exposure...
Nice, great pictures, too. Here are my poor pictures of 2.3 Butcher Control and 2.3 Purgatory Control 2.3 on Derby rims.
There you go some fast ones...
The rims weight is in the 400g territory so they made my bike much more lively than the original Flow and P35.
PS: I hate those Storm SL rotors.
while mine arnt 40mm wide I attack some really gnarly sustained rock sections and Ive never torn a sidewall (maxxis exo) with my 35mm rims...Ive punctured the tread but never a sidewall...I used to do it all the time with narrower rims..
This is a trail I ride regularly and the rest of them are similar..I wouldnt worry about sidewall exposure unless you are running 15psi
http://www.pinkbike.com/video/351780/
(edit: actually I take that back..I did once but it was literally on a flat highspeed fireroad...had a rock roll up the side of the tire just right to tear the sidewall...was just a freak thing would have happened with any rim)
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gah, I'm reading so much conflicting information... I guess the only way to really find out is to try them for myself. But it's such an expensive proposition. I can't think of anyone or any shop that would lend out rims or wheels to try and see...
Try to find an Ibis dealer that has demo bikes with 741s or 941s.
Man not sure the AM bike is gonna be making that trail feel smooth. Although my Zerode did so easily.......
yeah, but then it won't be apples to apples... I want to stick to 26". If I go up a size, it'll add a variable that will muddle the testing. I'd really like to try them on my own bike with my own tires... I'll figure something out...
Since there seem to be a few people running Butchers, has anyone had a Control casing weeping through the sidewall?
I'm running home brew goo so it could be my mix but my front tire is starting to pump a fair bit of goo out along the fold lines you get when you run low pressures.
I really like the Butcher but find the casing just a bit light for my heft.
I'm running home brew goo so it could be my mix but my front tire is starting to pump a fair bit of goo out along the fold lines you get when you run low pressures.
I really like the Butcher but find the casing just a bit light for my heft.
I used a control butcher on the front of my trail bike for most of the summer tubeless with (surprisingly) no problems.
I mix stans with some molding latex to thicken it up though so it may be less watery that what you've got going on?
I mix stans with some molding latex to thicken it up though so it may be less watery that what you've got going on?
No problems with Butcher Control here, but the Purgatory Control 27.5 is a different story. It was visibly leaking through sidewalls from day one, fabric pattern was also visible since brand new.
Heads up: backcountry has a sale of Geax Goma 27.5 2.25 ($25) and 2.4 TNT ($34) with free shipping over $50.
I was ordering some other stuff from there and grabbed one of each size of these because I read good things. I haven't mounted them yet but they look and feel decent. The 2.25 weighed in at 780g and the 2.4 at 1000g. For my trail bike with normal width rims, I will probably stick with the 2.25 as the 2.4 is massive and heavy. The TNT sidewall is thick and burly though, would probably be fine for a DH bike as well.
Can everyone please stop referencing outer rim width? I think this started as a marketing thing to make wide rims really stand out but it annoys the crap out of me. In the road world no one even knows what their inner rim width is anymore.They all ride on "23" and "25"mm rims.
My $.02 on rim width is that 30mm is the widest you should go if you want to run 2.3-2.5" tires in rocky conditions, go fast, and lean in corners. I love my 30mm LBs and used to love my 29mm 729s and 30mm Mag 30s.
P.S. The enduro weight casing 2.5" WTB Breakout and Vigilante tires are finally available and word is they are sick.
My $.02 on rim width is that 30mm is the widest you should go if you want to run 2.3-2.5" tires in rocky conditions, go fast, and lean in corners. I love my 30mm LBs and used to love my 29mm 729s and 30mm Mag 30s.
P.S. The enduro weight casing 2.5" WTB Breakout and Vigilante tires are finally available and word is they are sick.
Think Im going to sell my Light-bicycle 30mm's on dt 240s and go back to a narrower rim...wish they made their 27mm's in 650b I liked my 26" ones I had better....I was liking those rims allot but I broke one so I swapped it for a 21mm in the rear...once I got my pressure dialed I like the tire profile better..It felt awful at first but now going back to the 30's at a pressure I wont break it again felt harsh..I would like a i27 front i25 rear in carbon..
I just mounted a 2.3 HR2 in the rear and the casing is literally wider than the sideknobs..
I just mounted a 2.3 HR2 in the rear and the casing is literally wider than the sideknobs..
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Lots to sift through in this thread, Can someone please sumerise everything in this thread for me(without their opinion tainting it)with a concise answer to the original question, what's the RideMonkey conclusion on what to run on a 35mmLB rim for AM, Funduro(tm), MTBiking in general?
Can the OP add a Poll perhaps?
Butchers look good. I'm running Highroller front now. Just rode on loose on hardpack and it's feeling pretty unforgiving. Might try leaning it harder as I think the tightness of the corners I was riding kept it in the "drift zone" of the tyre. Thinking a tyre with smaller knobs but closer packed may be less grippy but more predictable, making them maybe faster. Less scary at least.
Can the OP add a Poll perhaps?
Butchers look good. I'm running Highroller front now. Just rode on loose on hardpack and it's feeling pretty unforgiving. Might try leaning it harder as I think the tightness of the corners I was riding kept it in the "drift zone" of the tyre. Thinking a tyre with smaller knobs but closer packed may be less grippy but more predictable, making them maybe faster. Less scary at least.
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It wouldn't let me post a poll.
The Butcher seems decent. I would guess the Minion DHF may work well also. I have only ran the Specialized tires for now....
the 2.3 minion was pretty much unrideable for me up front on the 35mm LB rims..the only tire I found to work well in the front was the 2.4 HR2 as the knobs were still wider than the casing...
That trail looks pretty sweet. What is it (you can PM if you want) Looks like something in SB?
Oh duh... you are in SB. Still interested to know what it is though.
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Really good info and also other good posts in the thread. Funny to see the difference between this post and the fan fest on MTBR. I was really tempted by these rims but got to the same conclusion just way to big. I would much rather have lighter and skinnier rims.
Besides what has been mentioned another problem I see is with wide rims like this riding on rocky trails the rims will see a lot of damage from rocks. Both my 2.2 and 2.4 rear and front tire has a lot of wear on the side of the tire from drag on rocks.
I does seem that Ray the guy behind Derby is a really cool guy with great service and I think the design of the rims seems really nice and it would be really interesting if he build a narrower version not only for 29r.
I'd love to get my hands on a 26" Slaughter for my four cross bike. Just saying incase any industry type folks are still reading this 
Larsen TT 2.35..big side knobs not needed..wish they made it in 650bI'd love to get my hands on a 26" Slaughter for my four cross bike. Just saying incase any industry type folks are still reading this