I'm with you. Looks super cheap in that photo.The black cog on the cassette makes me think of a 6-speed Shimano freewheel.
There you have it, black cocg is the biggest, period.The black cog
It's going the wrong way. Less gears, not more. They need to make a DH group with 7-8 gears.
-KT
do you only use 3 or 4 gears when you are climbing your xc bike?And why 10.. i would never use 10, 3 to 4 at most.. 5 if im feeling sexy!
i love the x.o now, i have it on every one of my bikes...not sure im that psyched on this and i agree it looks cheap.
whats up with the crank looks like you must run a big ring, that is a major miss if i am correct.
why the hell are these companies not listening to us we dont need 10 speeds i want 5-6 with a nice short chain and a tight setup...
this isnt a DH groupoI am talking about pure dh...5-6 is optimal tops
i get it but plenty of us use x.o for dh, and this is a DH forum.this isnt a DH groupo
:insert face palm here:i get it but plenty of us use x.o for dh, and this is a DH forum.
Steve Peat says otherwise....I am talking about pure dh...5-6 is optimal tops
Well said, def prefer that myself, leave XX to the 10spd gear heads, tried to pick up std 9spd road cassette for the DH bike here and all anyone stocks is 10spd dam pain in the arse, order in, no wonder LBS struggle might as well buy online, this does not really excite me.It's going the wrong way. Less gears, not more. They need to make a DH group with 7-8 gears.
-KT
There you have it ladies and gents, it rocks
When you get everything for free, and you have a team of mechanics to work on your bike for you after every run, and you have a fleet of spare bikes, then ya, 10 speed might be the way to go.
When you get everything for free, and you have a team of mechanics to work on your bike for you after every run, and you have a fleet of spare bikes, then ya, 10 speed might be the way to go.
But for those of us who:
A. ride rocky terrain that beats the crap out of your bike
B. Have to pay for our gear
C. Have to work on our own stuff
D. Like riding more than wrenching
then this XO stuff is nothing less than retarded.
Well said, def prefer that myself, leave XX to the 10spd gear heads, tried to pick up std 9spd road cassette for the DH bike here and all anyone stocks is 10spd dam pain in the arse, order in, no wonder LBS struggle might as well buy online, this does not really excite me.
Other interesting other comments in this thread like there's not a big enough market for it? yet Shimano see fit to have a specific set called Saint
I'm not excited seeing where Sram is going either if they are looking to trickle down 10spd and drop 9spd like as happened to 8spd high end groups years back, if this happens and Saint is still 9spd then it might make me change listen to the market Sram [long time fan here but this will rock me like STI mtb did with Shimano back in 03]
wUrd. Got tired of that and went back to shimano. Got tired of those, then went SS, never looked back. It's nice to not have to spend hundreds a year on cassettes/chains/derailleurs/shifters, and to just pick up your bike after it tumbles through rocks and not have to f*** with the drivetrain.Hell, that's the case for Sram stuff in general, especially considering the derailleurs are 'one hit wonders'.
"those of us" being downhill guys. for all mountain, this seems great, and i'm sure it'll be stupid light and appeal to those XC folks too. i think the bigger issue isn't that SRAM is turning X.0 into a 10 speed group, but that they're failing to replace the old high end 9 speed with something that will work for people that are more abusive.When you get everything for free, and you have a team of mechanics to work on your bike for you after every run, and you have a fleet of spare bikes, then ya, 10 speed might be the way to go.
But for those of us who:
A. ride rocky terrain that beats the crap out of your bike
B. Have to pay for our gear
C. Have to work on our own stuff
D. Like riding more than wrenching
then this XO stuff is nothing less than retarded.
Shimano makes a DH specific group that seems to do well..... I know for one i'll be going to saint to avoid 10 speedI can't see them ever producing an actual DH-centric group, the market is just too small, despite the 20 Monkeys that are going to pipe up on here claiming they'd buy it... I doubt they take that into consideration.
They have the cranks, brakes, and shifters. What I'd like to see is a quality 6 speed cassette with appropriate DH gearing that can be taken apart (unlike XX or XO) so as to modify the spread. Hell, maybe they could see it with a few extra cog options as well. I want to see something like this but with XO quality, not some cheaper take-apart PG930 cassette. Make it the same spacing as the current standard so as to work w/ their 9 speed shifters and have them solve the too short/too weak limit screw issues on the high end SRAM der's.
Wow, talk about splitting hairs. Having a 'lightish and strong' groupset is exactly what the new Saint is.What I meant by that, besides most of the Saint group being overbuilt, is that there really isn't a DH race specific group, which is what such a tight ratio 5/6 speed cassette would be used for. I'm sure lots of Monkeys will disagree, but I want DH parts that are light-ish and strong... not DH parts that are at home on some kids 47 lb '04 Big Hit. Saint is not DH race specific, its freeride/DH friendly.
Lol....i think you should learn to ride if you were constantly spend hundreds a year on cassettes/chains/derailleurs/shifters