So, trying to decide on a new frame for the racing season, and one of my options. Anyone had a chance to ride one, and if so, which bike does it ride comparably to? Thanks.
Socom?
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The only thing that's really raising any questions in my head on the Socom, would be the head angle (66.5), rest of the geo looks good and I like the looks of the frame. This is why I'm looking to see if anyone has ridden it, and can identify a bike that it rides comparably to.
Howse, you should go for it, it would suit your style perfect.
You cannot ride another sunday howsee! or an Orange!! And I didnt see you at Watkins today
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lthumbsdown:and as strong as a noodle!
all my friends talk about how week socoms are, and just curious does any one actually know this? or is this just assume because its just to light. a guy i know who went to interbike test rode one and said it was the sickest thing he has ever ridden. thats really broad though, doesnt really answer your question
It's still got a warranty. Everybody thought the FRO label means it's warranty-less but that's not the case. They derived the statement "it's weak" from the incorrect assumption that it's got no warranty.
Anyways, I've talked to a few guys that have them (never tested one though) and they all seem to like it. With moderate builds they're all about 40#.
Anyways, I've talked to a few guys that have them (never tested one though) and they all seem to like it. With moderate builds they're all about 40#.
Yeah, I was at work making up for being out with the Flu on Wed.You cannot ride another sunday howsee! or an Orange!! And I didnt see you at Watkins today
I suppose to slack it out, I could run a stiff fork and soft rear end eh?
Thanks for the help guys!the socom is a sweet ride, Got to check our buddies out at bootleg, rides sweet good BB height. The head angle was a little steep with a boxxer and the crowns all the way lowered.
If the head angle was steep you could run a taller headset to slacking it out a bit
If the head angle was steep you could run a taller headset to slacking it out a bit
they're plenty slack, to the point that it dosen't ride right on flat ground, gotta be going down and fast.
I raced a v10 last year. I built up my Socom in early November and have ridden it in Denver and Bootleg. The Socom suspension feels like a v10 with less sag. It pedals noticeably better. The complete bike with identical parts weighs two pounds less. It is super easy to toss around. I am totally satisfied with the change from the v10, even though I loved that bike. I can't imagine a better race bike. And yes, there is a warranty.
This is the internet. Please refrain from making informed comments about bikes you actually own.
Good to hear you like it. If I was building a new race bike, I think the SOCOM might be it.
But I'm not.
well, if you use some simple logic, the closest bike to it is a vp free, and its pretty much weighs the same, vp free with axel and shox is 9.3lbs and the socoms are around 9. nothing wrong with it.and as strong as a noodle!
cant sc take the que and alter the geo of the vp free?
^^^ I'm really hoping when the free gets a redesign, which is probably due before too long, that this will happen.
are you sure that VP free is only 9.3lbs????well, if you use some simple logic, the closest bike to it is a vp free, and its pretty much weighs the same, vp free with axel and shox is 9.3lbs and the socoms are around 9. nothing wrong with it.
cant sc take the que and alter the geo of the vp free?
I was of the understanding that it was heavier than the V10.....
Nope.
? V10 looks like there is 3x more material than on VP free ... 
The VP free and the UZZI VPX are virtual clones of one another, and are really freeride bikes, not downhill bikes. The Socom is something different altogether. Basically, the Socom will ride alot like the M3 in terms of geo, although they start with the same static bb according the intense. Due to the fact that the M3 has more travel and more sag, the Socom may ride a little higher. Mike, I will get some actual measurements for you when we build up rob's bike. It's a large, so wouldnt do that much good for test ride purposes though. And it was 9.7 pounds for a large with a steel spring.well, if you use some simple logic, the closest bike to it is a vp free, and its pretty much weighs the same, vp free with axel and shox is 9.3lbs and the socoms are around 9. nothing wrong with it.
cant sc take the que and alter the geo of the vp free?
Not at all.
the vpx is shorter in the front AND rear, sits lower and the suspension systems work quite differently, despite the little sticker.
I should know, I race a VPX. The wheelbase is short, almost 2 inches shorter than the M3, and the head angle is fairly steep. The head angles may start at about the same, but 10 inches of travel versus 7.75 makes a big difference on HA and bb height. Cant complain though, got my best race results ever since I got that bike.
Well youre right I was oversimplifying it. I meant that they are made to compete against each other, where as the socom is for a diffrent target buyer. If history is any indication, I wouldnt be suprised if SC does something to respond to the Socom. The rest of their lineups seem to be direct reactions to each other. Maybe thier plan to lighten the V10 will be enough.
M3 vs V10
Socom vs ?
Uzzi vs VP free
6.6 vs Nomad
5.5 vs Blur LT
Spider vs Blur
Tazer vs Blur 4X
^^^i know they were ment as freeride bikes, sc didn't even get that part right. the free blows through its travel pretty bad. its actually regressive.
the lighter v10 is nice, but its still a big bike. lower weight is no subsitute for a snappier bike. i am just saying its a pity they dont change the free's geo slightly to suit dh more.
oh yea, the syndicate tested some shorter travel v10s during the race season too, and thats what peaty seems to be on this year, maybe 8in? its only using a 2.5in shox... from speculation tho.. not too sure...
the lighter v10 is nice, but its still a big bike. lower weight is no subsitute for a snappier bike. i am just saying its a pity they dont change the free's geo slightly to suit dh more.
oh yea, the syndicate tested some shorter travel v10s during the race season too, and thats what peaty seems to be on this year, maybe 8in? its only using a 2.5in shox... from speculation tho.. not too sure...
They are not made specifically to compete against each other, although that is an effect. They are both making bikes to fill all the narrow niches that exist in the market today, a market in which they both compete against each other and with a bunch of other companies.
Intense makes bikes for short people like me that occasionally fvck up and hit flat landings really hard.
That's my overly simplistic view
Maybe the 50 gazillion trail riders who bought one.
How is roughly 32lb for a decent build stupidly heavy? There aren't any frames in the same category that are significantly lighter. The Intense 6.6 is slightly heavier for example.
If Phil can get it done on a VPX then the Socom should rip too, a little longer wheelbase, little slacker HA little more travel and lighter, sounds like a sweet machine.