http://www.singletrackworld.com/2011/03/new-orange-downhill-prototype/
So monkeys what do you think?
To me this is the main problem with this bike. They took away the one thing they had going for them, the high pivot.I like it, thanks for posting- I'm actually researching/shopping for a high/forward single pivot bike at the moment. Might buy next year, so this looks cool
yer. balancing pedaling performance alas. now if they had added an idler to the old 223...To me this is the main problem with this bike. They took away the one thing they had going for them, the high pivot.
Ugh.
hahahahhahathat's some cutting edge technology. It's up there with shoe laces.
i actually have ridden a few of themclearly everyone here has ridden an orange and knows what they are talking about.
clearly...
i actually have ridden a few of them
but your argument is like saying just because i haven't driven a yugo means i don't have a right to say it's tiny and it's antiquated.....
i don't have to ride the newest iteration of an orange to say that single pivots are outdated
Wont comment on the pivot placement but looking at the shock it should be slightly progressive compared to degressive 224. A big change. The only thing 224 really needed imho.So the pivot is lower- and that's debatable whether it's better ot not, and the shock's lower as well. Is it less regressive though? Is the relationship between the shock and the swingarm any different than before?
I think the pivot could be in a variety of locations and feel good, but falling rate- it has no place in DH.
Judging from my old YETI ASX that had a similar linkage to the previuos Orange proto...linkage isn't allways the answer if it can't provide a steady progresive curve. If the linkage went falling/rising or rising/falling it probably wasn't worth the weight, and it probably was maginally better if at all than no linkage at all.
Maybe one of you masters of the internet has some Orange pics stored to throw up here for comparison.
Tell me what is your current bike that is so superior to sp's.i actually have ridden a few of them
but your argument is like saying just because i haven't driven a yugo means i don't have a right to say it's tiny and it's antiquated.....
i don't have to ride the newest iteration of an orange to say that single pivots are outdated
you can tell that from the picture?Wont comment on the pivot placement but looking at the shock it should be slightly progressive compared to degressive 224.
he rides a DW bike. nuff said.Please list real advantages of your bike over a proper single pivot.
It's not rocket science -the back shock bolt being higher than the front one usually means progressive, depends on where it all goes next but looking at the hole there isn't much place for the back bolt to go down. I know it's a simplification but it's a good rule of thumb. I know it's not the most accurate tool but that's what linkage does - give it a bike picture and it will tell you that.you can tell that from the picture?
Aye. That DW is what Tony Ellsworth claims slowly get boring. We all know Sp is 103% moar efficent than DW plus less pivotz means moar chicks.he rides a DW bike. nuff said.
Going from Degressive to slightly Progressive is not what I call "Adressing the problem". But it's not bad either. Anyway, it looks like they have gone to a shorter Shock (8.75x2x75) and the main pivot is now too low...I love how after a couple posts about dirt and jones it suddenly became fashionable to bash orange. RM fashions slowly convince me no one thinks for themselves on here...
I really like this bike. It adresses the main problem 224 had - degressive curve.
Well, it's still sort of high, right?To me this is the main problem with this bike. They took away the one thing they had going for them, the high pivot.
Ugh.
I would expect comments like this from a lot of folks, but not from you.i actually have ridden a few of them
but your argument is like saying just because i haven't driven a yugo means i don't have a right to say it's tiny and it's antiquated.....
i don't have to ride the newest iteration of an orange to say that single pivots are outdated
Agreed.I would expect comments like this from a lot of folks, but not from you.
it has a linkage which prevents bottoming and gives a controlled rate, plus helps keeps it up in it's travel(dw link) pedals better, better axle path for carrying speed over mid sized hits....let me count the ways....Tell me what is your current bike that is so superior to sp's.
Yes Virtual pivot designs have certain advantages over sp bikes but in most cases mfg's can't take advantage of them if we speak leverage curve, axle path. Of course there is the "omg no braek jak" part but the differance is quite small.
Please list real advantages of your bike over a proper single pivot.
I'll be honest, my main point is that one can make some inferences about a certain design even if they haven't ridden it....the guy who I was replying TK had the whole, "if you've never ridden it you aren't entitled to an opinion about it" attitude so I sort of butted in(brashly)....I would expect comments like this from a lot of folks, but not from you.
I think by 'outdated' you mean 'out of fashion on the internet.'
it's long, it's low, it's slack, it's light and in the right hands i can guarantee you this bike will be fast just like all it's predecessors.