I dig the steak reference. I have nothing bad to say about IH. My SGS is still going strong. If I had some extra cash, I'd like to see how something new rides, but...damn track days.
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I must admit, I don't quite understand the steak analogy. Are you saying that when you buy (or bought in this case) an Iron Horse, you would need to buy five? I do however, understand what you're saying about the fancier restaurant, in that the fancier it is, the more your steak will cost. If you apply this to a bike, you're getting the same bike, but from a fancier shop (and there's definitely something to be said for superior customer service from certain fancier shops). But, a fancy shop is by no means a guarantee of a good bike; the same way that a fancy restaurant is in no way a guarantee of a good steak.
I like your bikes ska todd, but I think your analogy was weak. Or maybe I just didn't get the main point...!
It's not you who had to buy the 5 bikes/steaks it's the IH/Other bike company that had to bike 5 sets(actualy more but we can keep it at this to make it simple) of oem parts to make it cheaper. Buying large quantities of parts allows companies to get better prices for them therefore they can sell complete bikes at better prices. How is that hard to undestand? It works the same everywhere.
Wow I didn't think it would have to get to this point of basic explanation...
When a business/retailer buys product from a manufacturer, the larger of a quantity they buy, the better (lower) price they will get per unit. The manufacturer is not making as large of a profit per unit, but they ARE making a larger profit overall because they are selling MORE units. This allows the manufacturer to move the units faster (ie sell them quicker) and not have inventory sitting around, because that ties up assets. The sooner they can get their profit from a sale, the sooner they can use it to make more units to make more profit. Additionally, the larger the quantity of a particular product they manufacture, the lower the price will be per unit.
edit: in this particular case with the stupid low prices, I think nepotism was the culprit, not large volume dealing.
When a business/retailer buys product from a manufacturer, the larger of a quantity they buy, the better (lower) price they will get per unit. The manufacturer is not making as large of a profit per unit, but they ARE making a larger profit overall because they are selling MORE units. This allows the manufacturer to move the units faster (ie sell them quicker) and not have inventory sitting around, because that ties up assets. The sooner they can get their profit from a sale, the sooner they can use it to make more units to make more profit. Additionally, the larger the quantity of a particular product they manufacture, the lower the price will be per unit.
edit: in this particular case with the stupid low prices, I think nepotism was the culprit, not large volume dealing.
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Ok, maybe I went overboard in my steak reference. Maybe b/c it was dinner time and I was hungry. Basically, sure OEM prices are lower than distributor, dealer, or msrp but the prices aren't as crazy low as what some might assume. Same can be said for a lot of products. I shared a plane flight with an Apple PM once and he was drilling me about the cost of bike stuff. He was shocked at how low the margins were compared to iPod stuff he worked on. Different industries have different economies.
-ska todd
-ska todd
The last time my gf went to Costco she brought home bacon wrapped filets
So wait, if I buy my steak at Costco and don't like how I cook it, can I send it back to Randal Scott?
I was 'just grilling along' when suddenly....
hahahaha i was just about to write that myself!soo classic. I dont know how many times ive heard that story while sitting in the shop.
still bring a smile to my face just thinking about
2" thick dry aged bone-in prime rib-eye with some salt and pepper is all you need guy. Maybe a fat slab of french butter melted on top to lube your insides.
add a bit of cayenne pepper to the rub, leave off the butter and grill on a very hot flame for ~5 min/side. if it's a true 2" cut, you might have to bump that up to 5.5min. serve with a side of german fried potatoes and a nice glass of scotch. or you could just marinate it in BBQ sauce after stabbing it repeatedly with a fork...
2" thick dry aged bone-in prime rib-eye with some salt and pepper is all you need guy. Maybe a fat slab of french butter melted on top to lube your insides.
I just peed a little. That was funny.
Blasphemy!! Yes, it might be all you need but as we all know on RM: Bacon is king! If you don't like it then go to pinkbike or something but please do not defame the use of bacon. Bacon is a universal. Like duct tape, zip ties, or a bigger hammer it can fix anything!
-ska todd
that's not hard to understand at all. And it makes me understand the steak analogy too!
and now I'm hungry. For a nice filet mignon I can cut with a fork...
I prefer a damn near red hot cast iron skillet for my 2" cuts. 5 min side one on high gas heat, flip over and into the 500+ degree oven for another 5.
I will grill a steak outdoors for a special occasion like cigar time.
must spread rep
in this case it would have to be something cutting edge, something sharp and European... maybe something carbon like a DT Swiss?!
you might have to use a bladed road fork.in this case it would have to be something cutting edge, something sharp and European... maybe something carbon like a DT Swiss?!
True, even bacon can't fix a Manitouin this case it would have to be something cutting edge, something sharp and European... maybe something carbon like a DT Swiss?!
-ska todd
This started out as a very respectable conversation about mountain bikes, and its gotten very silly. Very silly indeed. All this talking about steaks and forks. Very silly.
On my cue, we will cut back to a very sensible conversation about bicycles, Iron Horse, and no more sillyness.
DIRECTOR........cut.
I bet very few people get this.
I get it - classic!
No sillier than discussing internal business practices on MTBR.
I have no idea what that refers to.
Mine was much funnier, if you're a Monty Python fan.
Mine was much funnier, if you're a Monty Python fan.
I'll walk however I want to thank you very much!
lol i got it. growing up with a father from Liverpool.. I was raised on that stuff... as well as black sabbath
haha
I keep hearing how sam left IH for Spec - umm.. the Monster Energy TEAM left IH for Spec.....
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on another note:
And now for something COMPLETELY different...
And now for something COMPLETELY different...
Dear Sirs at the BBC, I wish to register a complaint...
This started out as a very respectable conversation about mountain bikes, and its gotten very silly. Very silly indeed. All this talking about steaks and forks. Very silly.
On my cue, we will cut back to a very sensible conversation about bicycles, Iron Horse, and no more sillyness.
DIRECTOR........cut.
I bet very few people get this.
PS, the whole bike industry is just like the Ministry of Silly Walks!
Hunter Steaks made locally by Hembolds = bacon wrapped steak put thru the cubing machine.
Damn the grill flares up from them, but soooo goood
Oh I'm sorry, just one moment. Is this a five minute argument or the full half hour?
Damn the grill flares up from them, but soooo goood
Oh I'm sorry, just one moment. Is this a five minute argument or the full half hour?
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Well, this conversation certainly is uncontaminated by cheese.
I like it runny.
I too keep grilling outside for special occasions, like days ending in Y.
Our smoke detectors don't like the red-hot iron skillet thing. That method is only to be used when I'm too lazy to shovel out the grill as it leaves my entire house looking similar to my dorm room in college...
One of the very few things I miss about California is that when I cooked, probably 75% of my meals were done on the grill, year round.
Damn, someone from the other side of the pond understands Monty Python...
This started out as a very respectable conversation about mountain bikes, and its gotten very silly. Very silly indeed. All this talking about steaks and forks. Very silly.
On my cue, we will cut back to a very sensible conversation about bicycles, Iron Horse, and no more sillyness.
DIRECTOR........cut.
I bet very few people get this.
You have no idea.