[marshalolson]

i randomly found an old price list from 1.1.02 for chumba bikes in my basement (along with the super hot catalog featuring shamus march shredding in every photo).

prices are interesting:

02 zulu dh frame: 2499
11 f5 frame: 2395

02 cuhupa cabra trail frame: 1699
11 evo trail frame: 1549

02 hadley 20mm hub: 149
11 hadley 20mm hub: 130

02 hadley 12mm rear hub: 280
11 hadley 12mm rear hub: 275

02 hayes dh brakes: 250
11 hayes ace dh brakes: 194

02 mrp wc chainguide: 100
11 mrp sb3 chainguide: 110

02 thomson seatpost: 80
11 thomson seatpost: 100

02 stratos s8 dh fork: $1195
11 rockshox boxxer rc: $905

please discuss how "bikes are so much more expensive nowadays".

 

[norbar]

They are not, they just went up in the last couple of years and people like to complain but if I wanted to be picky comparing a stratos to the lowest boxxer model is a bit unfair

 

[marshalolson]

i would ride a boxxer rc before a stratos any day, nowadays. heck, i even had a stratos for 2 years... and still kind of miss it, in the "huck to flat" kind of a way

the stratos only had rebound and compression adjustment....

maybe comparing to the $999 11 888 rc3 evo?

 

[marshalolson]

sure m950 xtr rear derailleurs used to be $95, but man... a modern SLX derailleur is superior to that buddy anyhow... and m950 shifters were still $159.

 

[stoney]

And if you factor in inflation, the cost of production/profit margins have dropped substantially.

 

[manhattanprjkt83]

margins have dropped quite a bit but stuff really did go up...look at a fox 36 talas...today compared to when it first dropped in 2005 ish...

 

[jonKranked]

i randomly found an old price list from 1.1.02 for chumba bikes in my basement (along with the super hot catalog featuring shamus march shredding in every photo).

prices are interesting:

02 zulu dh frame: 2499
11 f5 frame: 2395

02 cuhupa cabra trail frame: 1699
11 evo trail frame: 1549

02 hadley 20mm hub: 149
11 hadley 20mm hub: 130

02 hadley 12mm rear hub: 280
11 hadley 12mm rear hub: 275

02 hayes dh brakes: 250
11 hayes ace dh brakes: 194

02 mrp wc chainguide: 100
11 mrp sb3 chainguide: 110

02 thomson seatpost: 80
11 thomson seatpost: 100

02 stratos s8 dh fork: $1195
11 rockshox boxxer rc: $905

please discuss how "bikes are so much more expensive nowadays".

ok, you mentioned products from 4 different companies who have prices that haven't changed, and all of which offer products that vary only slightly from what they did 10 yrs ago. How many companies exist nowadays?

then you compared the high end fork of a company no longer in business to the base model of a modern day fork. great comparison.

 

[alpine slug]

And just think: in the interim decade, bikes have lost 10-15 lbs at the same travel amounts.

Bring back the 40-lbs 6" travel bike!

 

[marshalolson]

ok, you mentioned products from 4 different companies who have prices that haven't changed, and all of which offer products that vary only slightly from what they did 10 yrs ago. How many companies exist nowadays?

then you compared the high end fork of a company no longer in business to the base model of a modern day fork. great comparison.

dude, i think you are missing the point. a few off the top of my head... but dont have a huge stack of 10 year old price lists...

a 2000 manitou millenium carbon x-vert was $1700
a 2011 dorado is $1799

a 2001 shiver was $999
a 2011 888 evo is $999

a 2001 boxxer 151 was $900
a 2011 boxxer rc is 905

a 2004 boxxer wc ti spring was $1195
a 2011 boxxer team (equiv) is $1290

and on and on...

 

[IH8Rice]

dude, i think you are missing the point. a few off the top of my head... but dont have a huge stack of 10 year old price lists...

a 2000 manitou millenium carbon x-vert was $1700
a 2011 dorado is $1799

a 2001 shiver was $999
a 2011 888 evo is $999

a 2001 boxxer 151 was $900
a 2011 boxxer rc is 905

a 2004 boxxer wc ti spring was $1195
a 2011 boxxer team (equiv) is $1290

and on and on...

doesnt really seem that parts are that more expensive than 10 years ago going by the prices you listed in both posts.

 

[jonKranked]

ten years ago: skinsuits
today: no skinsuits


i am dissappoint

 

[syadasti]

How about the DHR then and now (or any other Turner), XTR parts, Fox 32 or 36 (as mentioned above), some brands of tires are now off the wall expensive (Schwalbe XC/AM for example), etc. Top-end mainstream brand bikes are too expensive now especially with most stuff coming from overseas (for a real joke, see Scott). Prebuilt wheels are out of control. There are more of trendy BS overpriced low volume bikes too but I assume the economy is putting the brakes on that thankfully (Jeff Jones is the first one I can remember seen about ten years ago at Interbike)

 

[marshalolson]

The first year the crossmax came out, they were 799. I believe.

First year me 6" frames were 2599? I think?

 

[jonKranked]

price of expendables has gone up; tires, chains, rotors, brake pads, deraillers,etc

 

[nowlan]

Id like to know the price of an M1 Frame in their time.

 

[syadasti]

The first year the crossmax came out, they were 799. I believe.

Mavic launched Crossmax in 1996 and they weren't $800. In 2000 they switched to Al spokes w/UST but I don't recall what they cost but you are right that Mavic hasn't changed their prices as much as others. The latest generation of prebuilt wheels have probably gone up by at least a few hundred dollars on average in the past ten years.

 

[daisycutter]

id like to know the price of an m1 frame in their time.

2002-2399

2000-2700

 

[norbar]

price of expendables has gone up; tires, chains, rotors, brake pads, deraillers,etc

Not rotors, chains and brake pads imho. High end chains like Rohloff were still priced heavy, you can have for brake pad sets <30$ if I remember correctly (direct order company) and I remember trying to get a magura rotor back in the day.

Only the established companies have sent their prices up but new cheaper ones pop up quite often.

 

[Brian HCM#1]

Keep in mind a lot of company's ran overseas for manufacturing. Stratos were all made here, the Boxxers today are assembled by 7-12 year old girls.

 

[jonKranked]

a 2000 manitou millenium carbon x-vert was $1700
a 2011 dorado is $1799

carbon fork to aluminum fork, apples to oranges.

when manitou first rolled the dorado MRD revision out, with carbon legs, price was something like $2600

 

[IH8Rice]

when manitou first rolled the dorado MRD revision out, with carbon legs, price was something like $2600

they all had carbon legs. i paid $725 for my Dorado in 2001 at cost.

i also paid $1250 for the first V10 in 2002

 

[frorider]

Price trends on USA-made stuff is all over the place. Thomson has more or less just followed general inflation. Chris King hubs were pretty affordable a decade ago--my complete wheelset with mavics was 525. Now, just a single rear hub is 380 retail.

As others have pointed out, a general trend has been that as mfg shifted to low-cost, non US locations, companies found they could get away with charging the same price as customers got used to paying.

 

[marshalolson]

carbon fork to aluminum fork, apples to oranges.

when manitou first rolled the dorado MRD revision out, with carbon legs, price was something like $2600

the millenium was an aluminum lower with 1/8" plastic with carbon graphic wrapped around it.

but either way, it was manitou's most expensive offering. the dorado alu is their current most expensive offering.

 

[marshalolson]

keep in mind there has been 21% inflation over the last 10 years. which means the exact same thing will be on average 21% more expensive. it also means that the average consumer's purchasing power increased by 21%.

so, for example, a sram 990 chain should be more expensive by 21% than it was 10 years ago.

my point here is that alot of stuff (generally regarded as some of the best on the market, then, as well as now), is right inline with the old price. which in essence means it is 21% cheaper than it used to be.

another example, the psylo race tullio was $550 in 2002. the modern equivalent (though certainly 1000% better performing) is a sektor rl solo air 20mm, at $495.

 

[jonKranked]

you wanna see the difference... compare top of the line frames... back then most expensive was what, $2500? might have been a few that were above that (only one that comes to mind is the BMW racelink). Nowadays there are numerous frames that are at or above 3 grand. Dhr, m9, v10carbon, and there's plenty more getting close

 

[marshalolson]

$2500 * 1.21 = $3025

inflation, baby. i would argue, the top end frames cost the exact same now as then.

 

[Bikael Molton]

the Boxxers today are assembled by 7-12 year old girls.

What is your source for that statement?

 

[Brian HCM#1]

What is your source for that statement?

Sorry, I guess some are a little older than that

Then again I'm sure you're not aware of past child labor issues throughout all of Asia.

 

[Bikael Molton]

I'm aware that Taiwan has much stricter labor laws than the PRC, and the child labor laws in particular are not far off from the USA.

The women who assemble Boxxers in Taiwan are probably the same age as the Mexican women who assemble 40s in California.

Or, did SRAM make the move to mainland China? I haven't heard of that yet with anything but the Walmart-level of bicycle manufacturers.

 

[Trekrules]

Nowadays there are numerous frames that are at or above 3 grand. Dhr, m9, v10carbon, and there's plenty more getting close

Then you have the 4 grand to 6 grand euro frames like the Yeti 303DH,Session 10,Foes 2:1 DHS,Nicolai's but most frames now are arround 2 to 3 grand or slightly above that.

All though pricing in Europe is allot diffirend than in the USA/Canada.

 

[limitedslip]

you wanna see the difference... compare top of the line frames... back then most expensive was what, $2500? might have been a few that were above that (only one that comes to mind is the BMW racelink). Nowadays there are numerous frames that are at or above 3 grand. Dhr, m9, v10carbon, and there's plenty more getting close

If only you had a time machine you could go pick up those old top-of-the-line frames and resell them today. You'd make a killing!