Fvcking christ.....the music...Jeff.....
watch the berm speed.......
Fvcking christ.....the music...Jeff.....
watch the berm speed.......
No, 2 strokes and 4 strokes should be running the same cc range , 250>250 500>450just out of curiosity shouldnt the 500 run against a 4 stroke 1000, instead of a 450?
I ride a KTM 250 XC-F and love it. It's the closest thing to downhilling that I can do at home. God I love that bike. Tons of pull out of the corners and light enough to really throw around.
Dave
I ride/race tracks and trails with my 250SX-F. No problem trail riding with it since you have the 6 speed tranny. Even with the 12T up front and a 50T on the rear I can go 65 mph according to my GPS. That's fast enough for most trails around here. The only time I have been top'd out was at one Harescramble that had a retarded high speed section (nothing like 300 guys going WFO down a narrow 2 track) and on the road (if that was legal I should say).I have a 250 SX-F and wish I got your bike. I'd rather be in the woods than on a track with 20 skilled, cocky, 12 year olds with their parents grooming them for factory rides.
Might want to try a ktm 200 if you want to get closer to the dh feelI ride a KTM 250 XC-F and love it. It's the closest thing to downhilling that I can do at home. God I love that bike. Tons of pull out of the corners and light enough to really throw around.
Dave
The big 3 would never allow that. Honda layed the smack down on racing organizations about their great new 4 strokes. A 250 2 vs a 250 4 is no match.No, 2 strokes and 4 strokes should be running the same cc range , 250>250 500>450
I ride/race tracks and trails with my 250SX-F. No problem trail riding with it since you have the 6 speed tranny. Even with the 12T up front and a 50T on the rear I can go 65 mph according to my GPS. That's fast enough for most trails around here. The only time I have been top'd out was at one Harescramble that had a retarded high speed section (nothing like 300 guys going WFO down a narrow 2 track) and on the road (if that was legal I should say).
You are missing the magic button though.
Tip of the day on that bike though, check the frame welds near the shock. We had to repair mine on Saturday. Other than that, my bike has been awesome. I have 200 hours on it. We changed the piston at 100 hours and just changed the piston and intake valves at 200 hours. Pretty good when you consider that Honda, Kaw, Suz need that done about ever 20 hours. Keep in mind that these hours are at racing conditions, ie 13,000 rpm. That's like trying to daily drive a F1 car.
Look at the lap times between the 250fs and 450fs are usually a second or two apart. Some guys are even faster like Ryan Villopoto winning the open class at MXDN. HP only helps if you can tap into it more.HAHHAHAHAHAHAAA
Test between a stock 1991 CR500 and a 2008 CRF 450! Should test the above 500 against the 450!
Q:WHICH ONE IS THE FASTEST?
A:First and foremost, our concept of faster is gauged by the ability to ride the bike fasternot just hang on and pray. The CRF450 turned faster lap times because it has a controllable delivery. It was less violent under acceleration and less chuggy under deceleration. The versatility of the four-stroke outweighs its shortcomings at peak horsepower. No contest.
But, and this is a big but, if you have the skill to pull the trigger, the CR500 would actually gobble the CRF450 up in deep loam, rough straights and steep hills. The big two-stroke was a rocketship when it had a rocket man at the controls.
^^^ Great points here. The first time I ever rode a dirt bike after 15+ years on mountain bikes, I remember coming up to a big log across the trail and just figuring I'd yank up on the bars to get the front wheel over. Big mistake. I nearly ripped my shoulders out of the socket, the front wheel didn't budge, and I had one of the lamest looking wipe-outs in history. Lesson learned: you need to master throttle and clutch control on a dirt bike to do the same simple things you take for granted on an MTB.2. There are a lot of similarities between DH bikes and motos but not as many as I had hoped. In a lot of ways a moto is much more stable and easier to ride, but it can also be tricky because there is so much more weight and crazy power. You can't just move around a dirtbike like a DH bike. If you want to move the bike around, you need the throttle to do it. It does however make you more comfortable with speed.
Heck no for me man, I've been riding moto for 20 years, if I do anything it will be to get a 300XC or a 450XC.Might want to try a ktm 200 if you want to get closer to the dh feel
I hear you on that. I love riding at the MX track, but not on raceday really. It's funny, I did everything I could to find an 08 300XC but they were nowhere to be found in New England. I bought the 250-F and had to drive about 5 hours to pick it up. It's been worth it though. This was my first 4-stroke that I've owned myself and I am pretty impressed with it. Soon its getting bolted to a milling machine..I have a 250 SX-F and wish I got your bike. I'd rather be in the woods than on a track with 20 skilled, cocky, 12 year olds with their parents grooming them for factory rides.
The 300 is an awesome bike. One of the guys on our team has one. Pulls really good at low RPM. I would love to get a 450XC. I almost pulled the trigger on one already. Once the economy (aka, the place I work) smooths out a bit, I'll probably buy one. Either that or a 450SXF. I can get an '08 model for $6200 out the door tax included.Heck no for me man, I've been riding moto for 20 years, if I do anything it will be to get a 300XC or a 450XC.
Yeah, that's what I've heard about that 300, it sounds like an unbelievable woods motor. Man, I'd love to get out to MI to ride, I'm sure the trails are sweet. It's just a matter of finding time, there sure are no shortage of things to be working on, heck, I should be working right NOW!The 300 is an awesome bike. One of the guys on our team has one. Pulls really good at low RPM. I would love to get a 450XC. I almost pulled the trigger on one already. Once the economy (aka, the place I work) smooths out a bit, I'll probably buy one. Either that or a 450SXF. I can get an '08 model for $6200 out the door tax included.
DW,JP: when do you guys want to come to Michigan to ride? There are thousands of miles of trail and some of the best tracks in the country. JP: let me know when your going to be at your parrent's house and I'll see if I can hook you up with a bike.
Like someone else mentioned, 4 stroke engines have intake and exhaust valves which need to be checked and or adjusted regularly. If you can't check them yourself and you have to have a shop do it, it can get expensive because it is a part of regular maintenance. But it's easy to learn how to check them, all you need is a good set of feeler gauges. Only occasionally should they actually need to be adjusted, which is also pretty easy (just requires a shim kit and simple math).Hey guys, please help me understand how come 2T is easier to maintain than 4T ? Cause 4T is only Gas and go and 2T you have parts to be replaced after x hours..
Pics of you 125 please!(Or at least tell us what it is)All this moto talk is making me want to hunt down some AHRMA races. I still have my old 125 and it qualifies .
Washougal is a gorgeous-looking track. Biggest tracks in the state when I was racing was the Trans-AMA course at Puyallup and Straddle Line down in McCleary, WA. My son's wife is from Washougal - - might give me a good excuse to 'wind up' there sometime - - with the bikehtrdoug said:Pics of you 125 please!(Or at least tell us what it is)
First race oct 11
http://www.siegecraftnw.com/VDR.htm
PNW has an awesome vintage scene
Washougal is spectacular...
htrdoug said:.[sigh]sucks to live in southern Indiana[/sigh] .
Dual Sport moto riding is great, just not in our area!!! I have a KTM 200sx that I ride more than I mtn bike lately and the idea has crossed my mind many times to sell it and pick up a bigger dual sport ride. However, the fact that every legal and decent riding area in the area requries a 1 to 3 hour drive from the DC area is just to much to ask of a dual sport on highway settings in my opinion.I'm looking at woods bikes for some winter practice myself. Probably going to get the license and get a dual sport of some description so I can ride to the trails without hauling a trailer. My dad bought an older yamaha ttr225 recently for like $850. I have been screwing around on but it was sitting for a couple years and has some issues that need to be resolved. Carb's all gummed up etc.
I'm seriously considering buying a cheap 200-250cc Chinabike just because I have no real interest in taking it to an MX track, I just want to ride around in the mountains. Then again I might just buy an old honda and be done with it. The XTs look like toys to me though and the crfs are expensive. Any suggestions? I covet that WR250.
Ah, that makes a bit of a difference, though I think you'd find something like a drz or a klr a bit to much of a comprimise. My father, who's 59, bought a drz 400 two years ago to ride a bit with me when I go back and visit him in WV. He's strictly a doubletrack/old logging & fire ride rider though, as he gets a little freaked out in the tight stuff.....personally I think it's largely due to the size of the drz, as it's really a weighty pig and seems to flop around side to side in slow speed turns. He's ridden motorcycles all his life, has almost always had a dual sport in his garage and commutes to work daily on his harley, but he struggles with the drz and trying to ride trails.Well, my folks actually have a place out in the blue ridge which is where I'd probably keep the bike. The reason I'd want it dual sport is there are all kinds of trails but they're not all connected so you kinda have to be able to get on the road here and there to link up a good ride.
I'm a little worried that the true dual sports like the DRZ400 or the KLR650 are going to be too much bike to muscle around in the woods though.
So we got the carb rebuilt and rejetted and the yamaha my dad bought is actually a lot of fun for running around up on our mountain. I'm really not sure I need much more power than it's got to have a good time and ride the trails I want to ride. I can easily get the front end up in second, though I almost stacked my **** up the other day when I was powering up our back hill didn't realize my front wheel wasn't so much touching the ground. Tried to steer a little bit and had just enough time to think "huh, that's odd, i'm not turning" before the wheel touched down again and sent me for an interesting little ride. Managed to pull it out but it had my heart going fast for sure. Definitely some finer points that don't transfer over from DH, although I actually find I'm pretty comfortable the bike already.Ah, that makes a bit of a difference, though I think you'd find something like a drz or a klr a bit to much of a comprimise. My father, who's 59, bought a drz 400 two years ago to ride a bit with me when I go back and visit him in WV. He's strictly a doubletrack/old logging & fire ride rider though, as he gets a little freaked out in the tight stuff.....personally I think it's largely due to the size of the drz, as it's really a weighty pig and seems to flop around side to side in slow speed turns. He's ridden motorcycles all his life, has almost always had a dual sport in his garage and commutes to work daily on his harley, but he struggles with the drz and trying to ride trails.
I'll admit that it's fun to play around on the drz, as you can tractor around on it everywhere and it feels like a cadillac in the rough, but it's very hard to be aggressive on that bike. The only thing the drz has going for it is it's bombproof reliability. My dad changes the oil in his probably once a month or less and that's the only maintenance he does to it all year long! Though a drz 400 can be made into a fiesty machine with a lot of mod work, it gets expensive quick.
If your looking for a minimalist dual sport approach, I would suggest looking at a Yamaha WR250f or a Honda CRF250x. I've got a bunch of friends in the Winchester/Martinsburg/Hagerstown corridor that ride them and have them plated, which all claim was really easy to do in their respective states.