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Honestly....no clue what it does. As a couple of us have mentioned, either that in there OR the rib/shoulder in the bearing seat makes sense for bearing locating. Having both makes no sense functionally, as far as I can tell.
Anton would have gotten the bearings out
Found a pic from when I got my frame PCed that shows the very thing this whole thread is about...
Thanks, that's why I asked. It makes no sense to me either so I was curious if you actually found it in there.
You can see them in the pic I just posted.
Someone has mentioned maybe the design changed at some point and went from one method to the other, which would make complete sense. But nope, both were found in my frame.
Someone has mentioned maybe the design changed at some point and went from one method to the other, which would make complete sense. But nope, both were found in my frame.
Either way, everybody knows(that is actually a competent bike mechanic) that a bearing needs a seat or it will just move freely under load. A spacer would not prevent said movement..
Uhh.....it does when it's bolted in and captured....
Edit: captured between the "fork" of the seatstay pivot and bolted in.
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If there was no seat, the bearing would continue to slide one way or another. It may not fall off, but it won’t stay tight. Please show me a situation on a bicycle that works otherwise..
See my edited post. Once inserted into the seatstay yoke.....not going anywhere.....
I had a fork, stem and bar, the stem was okay, didn't get any exploded diagrams.
From memory I sold the fork for $50 and the bar got recycled, still have the stem.
Going by the diagram as shown, bearing - spacer - bearing would functionally work as the bearings are both seated against each other essentially via the spacer. Once the three are pressed in and captured in the seatstay yoke, they aren't going anywhere.
With the space between the seat and chainstays that allows them to move independent of each other, I can clearly see that there is room for the chainstay to wiggle side to side..
It would have made disassembly pretty easy. Even while you are riding!
Same situation would happen with firmly seated bearings. If there's "wiggle room" each bearing could work out a bit from their respective sides.
Besides, the yokes of the seatstay squeeze against the inner races of the bearings when tightened. That's how pivots work. If the width of the spacer is properly sized, you get a tight fit with no wiggle room and proper radial movement of the bearings.
Look closer. The stays don’t actually touch. That would cause binding and your suspension wouldn’t work. Just like top caps don’t sit against the headtube
Every suspension frame I've ever taken apart/put back together was definitely a pretty tight fit to get into place, but cycled through the travel under its own weight. No binding to be found.
Maybe your shit's worn out.
Maybe your shit's worn out.
I’m not trying to get into a pissing match with you, I just stated that any competent bike mechanic knows bearings in bike situations have bearing seats. You yourself even said you realized that the diagram was incorrect and didn’t try to hamfist your bike anyway..
I'm just pointing out the fact that, mechanically, a bearing/spacer/bearing arrangement would functionally work the same as 2 bearings pressed in from opposite sides against a common, fixed seating feature, since it is captured fully on both sides when assembled.
The fact the diagram even shows the spacer there only supports the idea that arrangement is there. That's all. I still have no idea what the point of that spacer is....haven't heard a single suggestion yet.
The fact the diagram even shows the spacer there only supports the idea that arrangement is there. That's all. I still have no idea what the point of that spacer is....haven't heard a single suggestion yet.
With Rokcock out of the picture, WestCoast and CrabJoe turn on each other! Argh, the huge manatee!
Understood. Which is why I asked specifically for a bike related scenario where this is in play. This is RideMonkey, not GarageContraptionMonkey over here yo..
Older Turners used Igus bushings and pivot shafts that floated side to side freely, until trapped by the linkage they mated to. Same concept as what I am explaining.
BOOM.
BOOM.
Not bearings, argument moot..(not mute, derp)
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Maybe Zedros file cabinet used your method...
Moot*
Different bearing style yes, but as far as mechanical assembly, degrees of freedom and how they are limited it is identical.
What’s amazing to me is no one seems to understand or care that feelings wouldn’t be needed if the drawing was correct.
Tell me more...
I feel the drawing is inaccurate
I kinda like this west coast hucker/east coast hucker beef.
Like a modern day biggie and tupac.
Like a modern day biggie and tupac.
Who knows what goes down on a homemade school project frame.
TY Cerpra
Willingly entering the Shit Happens zone. You get what you pay for, no secret there, we’ve all played this game long enough to know that..
Or, c clips locking them in from the outside. That way the bearings can’t migrate side to side and cause the clevis to contact the bearing seat. With just a spacer and no lip or c clip then the bearings could migrate side to side, no?
A bushing in that situation is made with a flange on one side, effectively creating a seat..They are absolutely bearings, just not roller bearings. And an argument (or point) is ‘moot’.