http://www.sicklines.com/2007/01/04/review-brembo-dh-brakeset/
dont car if its a repost wanted to share...your (gulp) thoughts
dont car if its a repost wanted to share...your (gulp) thoughts
Hmm, I guess I better introduce myself as the writer of that D-W review. Thanks for that comment, sets the day off beautifully!That descent world review is a bit of a joke!
It pretty much gives negative point after negative point, writing them off as "they're brembo so it's okay". Hose expansion, heavy weight, horrible hardware... oh don't worry, they're brembo!
Bad reviews are pretty commonplace in mtb, but damn that takes the cake for anything i've read recently.
I found OSAMA I see his feet behind the rotor.Who is Brembo aiming these brakes at?
Why IS mount? Are they making different adapters for post mount forks?
Is Brembo developing these brakes further or is this it?
Is your weight for a front or rear? Is that including all the rotor bolts, caliper, hose, and the rotor?
When spacing out the caliper off the small mount it attaches to, is that meant to be a means for adjustment or are you using washers to space the caliper?
How is the fit with shifters in/outboard? Shimano shifters?
Hehe, maybe his cousinI found OSAMA I see his feet behind the rotor.
Do I get a prize?
I'll pass the photo comments to the aging and balding father then!they look pretty sick to me. sign me up for a pair also.
i thought that marzocchi was partnering with brembo on this project? is that true or false?
carbon rotors?!? sweet.
and btw, i like the brembo photos on that descent world review. nice depth of field.
High tensile (and even stainless) allen heads of the sizes used in brake fittings (ie 5mm) are not easily rounded out. In fact I've never ever done it. And I don't usually ride with a multi-socket-tool in my pocket/camelback/whatever. I've also never seen a broken brake mount bolt.Hmm, I guess I better introduce myself as the writer of that D-W review. Thanks for that comment, sets the day off beautifully!
A review is not necessarily bad because you disagree with what it says. At what point did I say that the hardware was horrible? I would rather have that type of fixing as, in ****ty uk conditions, I would rather have an easy to clean out external hex head rather than an internal allen key hex. Not to mention the fact that the ext hex is better at transmitting loads without rounding out than our favourite internal hex.
The hose expansion is fine. It is better than most plastic hoses (so giving a little to help with modulation) and not much worse than the Goodridge kits. The difference is that the power provided by the lever gives far more pressure at the caliper than your average Avid etc..therefore the hoses do have more expansion when using hard. However, in no way does that mean that they are soggy as there is a very positive bite point followed by enough movement to still have great control over what is a very powerful brake.
The lever feel is superb. Personally I find it far better than i do with shimano which always feel very sticky and plasticky. There is a very positive contact on the brembo initially followed by a lot of modulation. Once you have ridden a set extensively then come back and give a detailed analysis based on that rather than a lot of internet e-rumour spouted by people who have never seen the product in question, letalone (god forbid) ridden it. Having used top end systems at a reasonable level for many years I am genuine in my thoughts that this is the best feeling system I have used. That you cannot argue with. Some like Hayes, some hate; some love avid, some hate...it all comes down to the rider. As a reviewer I can only give the impressions of myself and those surrounding me - not the whole world. I liked them a lot, the guys I ride with liked them a lot (and thats a varied bunch of people). Most of the guys on here are commenting when they haven't even seen them in the flesh!Saints generate over 20% more fluid pressure than the Brembos do and they're one of the firmest-feeling brakes out there (2nd only to Hayes and possibly some of the Magura things which I've rarely even seen let alone ridden). That is not an excuse for a soft lever feel.
Thanks for talking down to me about stuff you assume I do or don't know, as well as stuff I never even mentioned. Relative fluid pressures are easily CALCULATED, and what I said stands. It is not speculation, it is easily verifiable FACT.The lever feel is superb. Personally I find it far better than i do with shimano which always feel very sticky and plasticky. There is a very positive contact on the brembo initially followed by a lot of modulation. Once you have ridden a set extensively then come back and give a detailed analysis based on that rather than a lot of internet e-rumour spouted by people who have never seen the product in question, letalone (god forbid) ridden it. Having used top end systems at a reasonable level for many years I am genuine in my thoughts that this is the best feeling system I have used. That you cannot argue with. Some like Hayes, some hate; some love avid, some hate...it all comes down to the rider. As a reviewer I can only give the impressions of myself and those surrounding me - not the whole world. I liked them a lot, the guys I ride with liked them a lot (and thats a varied bunch of people). Most of the guys on here are commenting when they haven't even seen them in the flesh!
There are plenty of people who decided as soon as they saw the brake and heard the price that they would hate it. Nothing that I say or do will be able to sway them. However, of the people over here who had a ride on the brembos, the only complaint I heard was that they were too expensive. Most even went as far as commenting on how good the brakes felt in use - both with regards to power and and also controllability.
You're wrong on two counts there. One, the lever does not give "far more pressure at the caliper than your average brake". Therefore the hose expansion would be likely due to poor quality hoses, rather than the leverage the system has (and therefore the pressure generated at the caliper for a given input). As a sidenote, distinguishing between an imperfect bleed and hose expansion is a tough one - but you seem to have managed this somehow. Anyway, as fatty pointed out, some simple math explains it:Hmm, I guess I better introduce myself as the writer of that D-W review. Thanks for that comment, sets the day off beautifully!
The hose expansion is fine. It is better than most plastic hoses (so giving a little to help with modulation) and not much worse than the Goodridge kits. The difference is that the power provided by the lever gives far more pressure at the caliper than your average Avid etc..therefore the hoses do have more expansion when using hard. However, in no way does that mean that they are soggy as there is a very positive bite point followed by enough movement to still have great control over what is a very powerful brake.
That's hilarious. You dismiss one manufacturers weight, and tell us that the brembo weight is correct without any pictorial/factual evidence to back it up. From what i've seen avid's weights are reasonably accurate, and the avid code is their heaviest brake! That, assuming your weight is correct, makes the brembo one pig of a brake. For the record, juicies and saints are both lighter than codes, and both pack plenty of punch once setup right. You can blabber on about motorsport all you want, but the fact is, mountain bikes are quite different in that they lack... you guessed it... MOTORS. Weight is a big part of mountain-biking, and for the money you spend on the brembo's, I certainly don't see it going anywhere too useful.Another point, the Avid Code (just as an example) is 597g quoted which we all know is liable to a fair amount of innacuracy as with all mtb products quoted weight. The Brembo weighs 690g...actual weight that. When my Codes turn up to test in the next week or so I will give an actual weight of that...
Except that given how much water your other argument/s hold, I think we'd definitely want to try a pair for ourselves before we took your word for it. Calling everything else on the market "cheap plastic toys" doesn't really add much credibility either. Writing a crappy review is one thing, but if you're going to jump on what is IMO a fairly knowledgeable forum and flick off opposing opinions, you damn sure better have your facts straight.Mountain bike brakes such as the saints, avids, hayes etc feel like cheap plastic toys when you compare them to actually riding. You can laugh all you like at that comment but until you actually ride them you have no grounds to say anything against that...
I don't (though I'm sure you could find out easily enough), but the only really important part in determining the fluid pressure (and thus result on squishiness) is the master cylinder diameter - the smaller the diameter, the higher the pressure. Obviously higher pressure = more squish. This is of course, assuming the lever blades are the same length - which for Hayes/Shimano/Avid/Hope they appear to be very close to. The Brembos might be longer or shorter, I can't tell exactly how long they are, but they don't *look* significantly different. If you want to compare mechanical advantage ratios, just do what Udi did with a minor modification - calculate the area of ONE caliper piston, then divide that by the area of the master piston. Obviously you need to know the diameters of each, but that's easy enough to find out if you're keen.Have you got any numbers for other brake systems?