Shoot... So what is the deal with the Saint levers? I have an older set and I just ordered a complete new pair for my DH bike. Wondering what I might be getting myself into here!!
2013 Saint:
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HahahaNo dummy, he has a dw double kick pedal attached.
meh... aluminum has a very small heat capacity (that's why it conducts heat well) so the "ice tech" rotors should be warming up very quickly which is not nice. idk how well can that alu core extension dump the heat to the air, ice tech seems more a fail than win to me. would prefer they went the hope vented rotor way.Look at the... Saint rotors!
They are ridiculous
edit - oh and yuck, centerlock. hopefully there will be a 6-bolt version.
If they're sold like the XTR/XT brakes, they won't come with rotors, so run whatever you want. I've been using Avid rotors with my XT brakes since day 1, no problems.
Must resist urge to pre-order new Saint brakes to replace completely-fine-and-reliable old Saint brakes...
**edit** Surely the "cheaper" Zee chainring actually cost more to make than the top-of-the-line Saint one? Unless the alloy is special, they're just throwing away material to make the cheaper version heavier/less appealling than the expensive version.
**edit** Surely the "cheaper" Zee chainring actually cost more to make than the top-of-the-line Saint one? Unless the alloy is special, they're just throwing away material to make the cheaper version heavier/less appealling than the expensive version.
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There looks to be some machining on the Saint.
Does this mean I might get another chance to have Z(ee) rims?
Nothing you'll notice. They don't have a split perch and the bite point adjustment does nothing. The lever blade is narrow, which is more taster's choice than real complaint. Some people have problems with air entering the lines. I had mine for about 2.5 years, shortened the hoses and bled them myself, and I had no problems with a good bleed. With a bad/uncertain bleed, I definitely had some of the phantom power issues that other people have. I LOVED my saint brakes, I only wish the lever were a bit better...looks like they fixed it.
Although, the 'zee' brakes with a pair of saint pads/fins look spectacular for the non-"thanks mom" crowd.
Also, isn't the aluminum core designed to draw heat away from the steel? in other words, the coductivity of aluminum is a good thing, as it will "suck" heat from the steel faces and move it down into the spider where there is larger capacity for absorbtion. Maybe I'm talking out my ass, but most people seem to like them in the XC world.
I "Z" what you did there...Does this mean I might get another chance to have Z(ee) rims?
alu is good only if it can dump the heat fast enough (i am very doubtful of this, it would take much more surface area), otherwise the rotors will run hotter than the ordinary steel ones. i might be wrong about this so we best wait for reviews.
Link to details and pricing for Zee?
yeah, i guess their braking is short and strong so the rotors have time to cool off. i am worried about dragging the brakes slowly...New brakes seem to be well tested by the fastest riders, so I think Ice-Tech rotors are reliable, but on the other hand Gwin or Gee look like don't use brake much during the ride
Any shimano brake for that matter,and most brake compagnies now a days for the obvious reason.
I had icetechs,and bent one on a day out,got a replacement 1 piece,went back a week,and still my front brake was always more consistant cause of that ice tech.
I need to actualy order a new one to replace that 1 piece.
Actually this was the only problem I had with Shimano levers. Not even with the Saint ones, but with old XTR.
Took me ages to realize, that the top cap has a specific mounting direction and can not be flipped around. If you look at the seal, you will not notice which side has to be installed closer to your handlebars. But if you take off the seal, you will find a very small groove at on side of the top cap. This is the side which has to be installed closer to your bar. No leaking anymore.
That wasn't the issue I was describing - plenty of people got them warrantied multiple times because they leaked legitimately. The growing lever throw was also an annoyance, moreso than the leakage which didn't really bother me. It's long to begin with but would get even closer to the bar over time.
Plenty of them seem to work just fine too, and when they did occur I found those problems didn't make the brake unusable or dangerous, just irritating. The new style levers don't seem to have any of these issues, I'd happily give the new ones a go.
Plenty of them seem to work just fine too, and when they did occur I found those problems didn't make the brake unusable or dangerous, just irritating. The new style levers don't seem to have any of these issues, I'd happily give the new ones a go.
That is one weird chainguide
http://www.pinkbike.com/news/Shimano-Saint-Prototype-Chainguide-Debuts-at-Sea-Otter.html
http://www.pinkbike.com/news/Shimano-Saint-Prototype-Chainguide-Debuts-at-Sea-Otter.html
^^^beat me to it
New Saint chainguide....
http://www.pinkbike.com/news/Shimano-Saint-Prototype-Chainguide-Debuts-at-Sea-Otter.html
I will not touch it unless they add a bash guard taco style.
New Saint chainguide....
http://www.pinkbike.com/news/Shimano-Saint-Prototype-Chainguide-Debuts-at-Sea-Otter.html
I will not touch it unless they add a bash guard taco style.
I don't get it, isn't that what it is? I seem to hear a lot of bad things about the ISCG mounted bash, in particular, it destroys your frame instead of your cranks in a big enough crash. This looks like it'll protect both while still managing the same light weight.
it's attached to the chainring spider and rotates with your pedal strokes.
Right, but it's still taco sized, only now it's also crank mounted, making it the best of both worlds?
Unless, of course, the rock strike into your chainring is when your leg is moving, and the bashguard misses it completely.
if you think so. personally my current bash device isn't only seeing action when my cranks are in the 'correct' position.
Well, the partial bash clears the guide so a full bash should work fine as well. Maybe it will even be an option?
Yeah the partial bash seemes very "un-Shimano" like to me, IE isn't a fully bulletproof solution..
One look at my current SRS bashie seems to indicate that I manage to smack the thing pretty hard from just about every direction, even directions that make no sense (ie near the crank arm). Having a bashie that requires a specific crank orientation isn't a bad idea in some kind of perfect world scenario, but I don't think it would do the job for me.
Shimano has just sent us local printed newsletter. There are some weights there:
SL-M820-I - 114g
SL-M820-I - 123g
FC-M820 68/73mm - 919g (however, don't specified what's in the set)
FC-M825 83mm - 931g
RD-M820-SS - 280g
HB-M820 - 216g
FH-M820 - 333g
FH-M825 - 340g
FH-M828 - 336G
SM-RT99 - 173g
Complete brakeset (for one wheel, w/o rotor) - 302g
PD-MX80 - 500g
No info about Zee or updated XT and SLX, yet.
SL-M820-I - 114g
SL-M820-I - 123g
FC-M820 68/73mm - 919g (however, don't specified what's in the set)
FC-M825 83mm - 931g
RD-M820-SS - 280g
HB-M820 - 216g
FH-M820 - 333g
FH-M825 - 340g
FH-M828 - 336G
SM-RT99 - 173g
Complete brakeset (for one wheel, w/o rotor) - 302g
PD-MX80 - 500g
No info about Zee or updated XT and SLX, yet.
When are the brakes gonna be available?