Just like you said in your answer above. Both items (shifter and der) have to be 10spd for these to work. So there really isn't a way to fool the system, that I'm aware of yet.Up until now I know that as long as your shifter matches the cassette in terms of how many speeds you would be fine. But on the Sram website they have a different derailleur for 10sp and 9sp. As far as mixing XX and XO as long as they are both 10sp compatible you are good to go.
My question is, as anyone mixed a 10sp Chain, Cassette and Shifter with a 9sp derailleur and it work?
It's because the derailleur does not determine how much the chain will move with each shift. The derailleur is free to move between two points. The shifter determines how much the derailleur moves with each shift (ie: indexing). With the cassettes being different spacings between each gear from 8sp to 9sp to 10sp, the shifter has to match the cassette but not the derailleur. Which makes me think you should be able to use a 10sp shifter with a 10sp cassette, and 9sp derailleur. Or "8sp Derailleur" for that matter.Anyone remember what happened with the 8 to 9 speed thing? I think it was the same - 8 speed rear der with 9 speed shifter was a no go, but 8 speed shifter with a 9 speed rear der was ok? for some reason that doesn't seem to make sense but that is what i remember.
no idea if it works or not, but the shifter is pulling cable, but that doesn't necessarily mean the ratio of cable pull to lateral der. movement is the same for 9/10 speed. if the pull a 10 speed shimano cable 1 shift with a sram der and a 10 speed sram cable 1 shift with a sram der and the der will end up in a different spot.It's because the derailleur does not determine how much the chain will move with each shift. The derailleur is free to move between two points. The shifter determines how much the derailleur moves with each shift (ie: indexing). With the cassettes being different spacings between each gear from 8sp to 9sp to 10sp, the shifter has to match the cassette but not the derailleur. Which makes me think you should be able to use a 10sp shifter with a 10sp cassette, and 9sp derailleur. Or "8sp Derailleur" for that matter.
On a side note, a 10sp chain will work on a 9sp system, but not vice-versa. The difference is a little shaved off of the pins to make it thinner and compatible with the spacing of a 10sp cassette.
Yeah, that's what I'm curious about. I can see it being completely 'proprietary' seeing as they would make more mula that way.no idea if it works or not, but the shifter is pulling cable, but that doesn't necessarily mean the ratio of cable pull to lateral der. movement is the same for 9/10 speed. if the pull a 10 speed shimano cable 1 shift with a sram der and a 10 speed sram cable 1 shift with a sram der and the der will end up in a different spot.
I'm sure somebody else can write that out better then I can, but basically pull ratio's make a big difference. if its different, its different.
No idea if it is or not though.
Pinkbiker's get bored when the snow hits in the mighty north, in which case they must find new places to contaminate.Better question, what are you doing for work that allows you to put XX parts on your DH bike where they will likely get torn apart?
I want ask about your saint derailleur, does it move around or just stable as Xo ? my old xt moves up and down a lot .. then I saw that xo body is very stiff. I wonder how are shimano compared to sram regarding its body movement?tl;dr but my saint 9 speed derailleur works great with my 8 speed chain, cassette, and shifter.
also, 10 speed yaaaaaaaaaaaaaay
The Saint is going to move more than the Sram, but less than the XT due to a stiffer spring on the Saint. The Sram has one less pivot for movement making it ideal for suspension designs such as FSR.I want ask about your saint derailleur, does it move around or just stable as Xo ? my old xt moves up and down a lot .. then I saw that xo body is very stiff. I wonder how are shimano compared to sram regarding its body movement?
I can't comment on multi-friggin pivots or whatever the dude above is talking about, and I can't really compare it to a SRAM drivetrain as the last one I used was an ESP 9, which broke.I want ask about your saint derailleur, does it move around or just stable as Xo ? my old xt moves up and down a lot .. then I saw that xo body is very stiff. I wonder how are shimano compared to sram regarding its body movement?
Glue a bumper on made of rubber or velcoThe only (only) thing i don't like about it is that it rattles off the stop as I go down the trail. The black part rotates on the gold part, and it will "clack" against the stop. I don't know if there's a way to cure that, maybe I am botarded....but outside of the noise it works excellently.
The geometry of the 9 and 10 speed derailleurs are different, so it's a no-go.It's because the derailleur does not determine how much the chain will move with each shift. The derailleur is free to move between two points. The shifter determines how much the derailleur moves with each shift (ie: indexing). With the cassettes being different spacings between each gear from 8sp to 9sp to 10sp, the shifter has to match the cassette but not the derailleur. Which makes me think you should be able to use a 10sp shifter with a 10sp cassette, and 9sp derailleur. Or "8sp Derailleur" for that matter.