the rough truth cuts me deep
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yep most bmx amature contests even make most mtb pro contests look like a joke.
this weekend at fbm ghetto comp a kid in the amature class did a wallride to tailwhip off the super shady pallet bank to wall. I doubt a single pro mtb rider could even come close to landing one
this weekend at fbm ghetto comp a kid in the amature class did a wallride to tailwhip off the super shady pallet bank to wall. I doubt a single pro mtb rider could even come close to landing one
I only read a little bit of that....most of it is true. most mtn. bike guys don't have the skills the bmx guys do.
but give it time. I think mtn. bike stunt riding is going to get super crazy in years to come. think about it. 15 years ago, bmx street/dirt/ramp riding was no where near where it is today. sure, you can take a Mat Hoffman vert run from 16 or 17 years ago and it could easily compare to todays vert runs but he's a special case.
bmx stunt riding has progress a ton in the short couple of decades it's been around.
when mtn bikers stop jumping their full suspension bikes down stairs and start to really ride (lots of guys are doing this today, I know) and start to see the full potential of what they can do on the bikes they ride, things are going to get out of control.
it's not the bike, it's the rider. sure, bmx bikes are usually easier to throw around but that in no way means most if not all the tricks being done can't be done on a big bike.
and, because of the larger tires, they can be done in more areas then bmx bikes can go.
but give it time. I think mtn. bike stunt riding is going to get super crazy in years to come. think about it. 15 years ago, bmx street/dirt/ramp riding was no where near where it is today. sure, you can take a Mat Hoffman vert run from 16 or 17 years ago and it could easily compare to todays vert runs but he's a special case.
bmx stunt riding has progress a ton in the short couple of decades it's been around.
when mtn bikers stop jumping their full suspension bikes down stairs and start to really ride (lots of guys are doing this today, I know) and start to see the full potential of what they can do on the bikes they ride, things are going to get out of control.
it's not the bike, it's the rider. sure, bmx bikes are usually easier to throw around but that in no way means most if not all the tricks being done can't be done on a big bike.
and, because of the larger tires, they can be done in more areas then bmx bikes can go.
well said
Interesting read. A couple points: First, I did not really start getting "good" at mountain biking until I started riding BMX too. Take that for what it's worth. Second, the story says something about rider inexperience and lack of training causing injuries, and used the Whistler Crankworks finals as an example. Do they really think Timo Pritzl is inexperienced and lacks training?
That is true. I remember the X games a few years back when a guy won the dirt jump comp doing two 360s spinning different directions.pnj said:
Then just yesterday I was watching the gravity games and Steven Murray got 3rd for a 360 back flip and a double backflip in one run. It was crazy.
Then theres mountain biking its not really very big among the younger crowd so the talent pool is pretty small. Theres no one really pushing the sport as hard as bmx is pushed. Most people dont try tricks that are thought impossible, they need someone to show them whats possible and sadly thats happening pretty slowly. I think it will be a long time untill mountain bike comps become exciting to non mountain bikers.
Id like to see it progress to moto sized jumps with bmx tricks thrown over them. That would be cool.
three threads, same topic
Good observation... you should solve crime.urbanhuckbot said:
I agree that in street we're a bit behind. As far as "skills" go i disagree.
You can't compare street bmx to DH. Just because someone has a huge bag of tricks in way proves that they would feel comfortable bombing a super steep tech trail that leads to a 15' drop. It's about reading terrain and reacting in a split second. While I give huge props to the guys in BMX people need to understand that it's a different way of riding. Nyquist may be a nasty dirt jumper but he may not be able to pick a line and flow over stuff that isn't man made. The article is talking about street riding not MTB in general.
You can't compare street bmx to DH. Just because someone has a huge bag of tricks in way proves that they would feel comfortable bombing a super steep tech trail that leads to a 15' drop. It's about reading terrain and reacting in a split second. While I give huge props to the guys in BMX people need to understand that it's a different way of riding. Nyquist may be a nasty dirt jumper but he may not be able to pick a line and flow over stuff that isn't man made. The article is talking about street riding not MTB in general.
everyone should start riding bmx bikes. quit riding mountain bikes for a year or so and you will be so much better when you get back on the mountain bike. or you might never go back...
in ten years mtb will be on par with where bmx is now, bmx will progress faster, period.pnj said:
well, i imagine that the size of the bike helps, however yeah, the mtn. guys don't have the skills and/or the balls to do that stuff. and don't take that as an insult; i'm a mountain guy too.pnj said:
F, this is stupid. BMX's are built for tricks, BMXers are better at tricks. Mountainbikes are built for mountains, mountainbikers are better on mountains any day. Espically if there is a climb involved. A mountainbike built for the street is a compromise, but one that allows the incorperation of both styles (tech from BMX and speed and versitility from MTB). Why compare the two, it's not like the BMX guys sit around and think that they are "way behind" at climbing hills or riding rough trails. And yes, a BMX is wayy more hardcore, so if that's what you're after, go ride a BMX and leave me alone. Better yet, a skateboard, that's way harder. I'll be off riding whichever bike/board I choose that day.
You know you probably dont see loser pro BMXers out shreddin up some gnar-tech downhill trails 'cuz they suck at riding big bikes and they got nothin but indoor skillz. Sheeeeesh c'mon its sooo obvious. 
:eviltongu
But sersiously, I cant say i care all that much about which aspect of x-treeme bicycle stunt riding has better pros (or competitive young'ns, mr. Ifelloffabike). Just cuz some guy can do double super man backflips on his clown bike doesnt mean im gonna go ride one. I ride my .243 in parks and dirt jumps and have a blast while progressing my riding.
PS: Heres a cool vid of that 24 guy doin he does:
http://www.24-bicycles.com/pornteaser.html
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:eviltongu But sersiously, I cant say i care all that much about which aspect of x-treeme bicycle stunt riding has better pros (or competitive young'ns, mr. Ifelloffabike). Just cuz some guy can do double super man backflips on his clown bike doesnt mean im gonna go ride one. I ride my .243 in parks and dirt jumps and have a blast while progressing my riding.
PS: Heres a cool vid of that 24 guy doin he does:
http://www.24-bicycles.com/pornteaser.html
:dancing:
nah this is no mountian biking vs bmx typer thing
i mean u just have to look at the names to see the difference they are of course to different worlds..... my point is riding a park with a bmx bike all winter when the snow covers the singletrack might boost some technical skill B
i mean u just have to look at the names to see the difference they are of course to different worlds..... my point is riding a park with a bmx bike all winter when the snow covers the singletrack might boost some technical skill B
urbanhuckbot said:
yeah man thats how POOBAH does......straight up same topic in 3-4 threads
watch yo self
With this sentence you have obviously shown a great number of riders on this site that you do LITTLE, if any street type riding.Lexx D said:
I have ridden with some of the top bmxers, including Miron.
I can assure you of one thing, riding street IS ALL ABOUT READING TERRAIN AND REACTING IN A SPLIT SECOND.
and these guys are absolute experts on doing just that.
And if you think riding ramps does NOT require the ability to pick a line and flow over it, you obviously don't spend much time on ramps.
But alas ignorance is bliss.
I am not hating on riding mountain bikes, but the real truth of why the majority of MTB riders out there generally seem to suck is the inaccesiblity of MTBs, they are expensive, and as such limit who uses them, which in turn reduces the possibility of people with exceptional levels of natural talent from finding MTBs as their medium...
Instead, often they will find skateboards, or BMXs, simply because they can only afford to.
I agree with shootr on this and would like to extend that thought to the cost of fixing the more expensive MTB. BMX bikes are generally a little bit more industrial, less complicated and less tempermental about the state of repair/adjustment. Also because MTBs are owned more or less by an older crowd you have riders a little less likely to put their investment at risk. This even includes the dh/freeride crowd, even these bikes are pampered and oh my heaven forbid you break something that needs to be replaced on a custom race/drop sled.......you might miss most or all of a good season. Plus being an older crowd (not meaning matureshootr said:
) some are not as willing to extend the level of risk as far anymore for a bunch of good reasons that only they understand. I do miss my BMX and Moto days but at a soon to be 47 I attribute alot of the pain I have today to that past. And with that I also feel that my past BMX and Moto days do make me a better rider today on the big bikes, I certainly don't work very hard to master any new skills but get allot of opportunity to enjoy the new technology with the skills I have allready learned. Go ride....it's all fun....enjoy and be amazed by the things other riders can do and enjoy the things that you can do as long as you can. Share the experience. 
Very well said, I also think there is one other componet that goes along with the age bracket. Most of us don't head streight to the local jumps after school. I know myself personaly I am lucky to ride more than 3 days a week, due to the sheer fact that I am busy with resposabillity. And doing so sets a huge learning curve for bmx.
Not that it matters, because they are two different sports just like basketball and baseball, both played with balls but totally different
Not that it matters, because they are two different sports just like basketball and baseball, both played with balls but totally different