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The Toninator

Muffin
Jul 6, 2001
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http://slate.msn.com/id/2076587

It's one thing for a mass-market product to be attacked by a religious group. Or to be mocked by Hollywood crusaders. But to get it from both sides? That's not easy, so congratulations sport utility vehicle owners and manufacturers: You are the target of the most comprehensive anti-marketing effort in recent memory. Last year a Christian group called the Evangelical Environmental Network came out with an anti-gas-guzzling spot that asked, "What would Jesus drive?" And now comes a salvo that has gotten even more attention: Marginal pundit Arianna Huffington and friends, calling themselves the Detroit Project, have put together an ad that parodies an earlier government campaign linking drugs and terror; their spot says it's SUVs that fund al-Qaida. This is certainly a provocative gambit, but how successful is it? The two ads were slated to run Sunday, Jan. 12, in several major markets, and you can see them here, on the Detroit Project site.

In the spot titled "Talking Heads," various people in the role of SUV owners say things like "I helped hijack an airplane," and "I helped blow up a night club," and "I helped teach kids around the world to hate America," and even, "I sent our soldiers off to war." These comments are interspersed with defensive ones like, "It makes me feel safe," "Everybody has one," and, finally, "My life, my SUV." The spot closes with titles informing Detroit automakers that "America needs hybrid cars now." The ad called "George" focuses on a character of that name who buys gas to fill his SUV. A child narrates and innocent music plays as we meet the oil executive responsible for filling George's tank, and then see a map of the countries (Iraq, Saudi Arabia) where the executive's company acquired the necessary oil. "And these are the terrorists," the little girl says, as we see an image of machine-gun-wielding guys in the desert, "who get money from those countries every time George fills up his SUV." The closing titles: "Oil money supports some terrible things. What kind of mileage does your SUV get?"


These ads borrow their structure from the controversial anti-drug spots that debuted during last year's Super Bowl and drew a direct line from American drug use to murderous terrorism. (You can see those ads here.) Oddly, no one seems to have pointed out that Huffington and Co. are late to the party in borrowing from those ads in a style that makes a point about oil consumption. Last August, a "pedestrian rights and advocacy group" called Citystreets produced a campaign—a much better one, in fact—that included a 30-second spot called "Where Do Terrorists Get Their Money?" (See it here on the Citystreets site.)

Instead of focusing on SUVs, that ad interspersed quick-cut scenes of an apparent terrorist operation in progress with titles such as, "Fake I.D.: 1,500 gallons," "Box cutters: 1 gallon," and "Explosives: 600 gallons," before asking, "Where do terrorists get their money?" The question is answered by images of cars. "Every time you fill your tank," a title says, as we're treated to a shot of a trunk-load of machine guns, then the ominous warning, "Some of it might come back to you." (This spot borrows from the government ad called "AK-47," which in turn borrowed its structure from the famous MasterCard "Priceless" ads.) According to Harris Silver, the founder of Citystreets, that spot went out to a range of media outlets, and it was downloaded from the Web site 50,000 times. "Our idea was hijacked," he says, fuming.

And as pointed as the Detroit Project ads seem to be, the Citystreets spot was far more harsh—and more effective. The Citystreets people have a point of view that's both more acerbic and more consistent. The Detroit Project anti-SUV ads let all other drivers off the hook. Is somebody who uses an SUV to cart their family around town really that much worse than a joy rider in a sports car? Is there some minimum miles-per-gallon threshold we can cross and be absolved from all complicity in global terror?

This strategy, suggesting that the problem isn't really such a big one so long as we just stop driving Hummers, actually unites the Detroit Project with the Evangelical Environmental Network. Its own anti-gas-guzzling spot—see it here—featured soaring music and a sermonizing voice-over noting that "too many of the cars, trucks, and SUVs" that Americans drive pollute the air, and "maybe it's time to ask ourselves … what would Jesus drive?" Whether or not that question makes a whit of sense, it does offer the viewer an easy way out: The problem isn't big and systemic, it's just a matter of slightly more careful consumer habits.

The great challenge of anti-marketing is that it aims to make a change that's far more sweeping than just selecting a certain product. This is why a spot like the one from Citystreets is such a stick in the eye—the whole point is to give the viewer a serious jolt. It's no surprise that a religious group would go for a somewhat softer sell. But the Detroit Group campaign seems to split the difference, and in doing so it ends up not shocking so much as pandering. It's not an exhortation to think in a radically different way, but rather an invitation to point a finger and feel better about yourself in the process. And there's certainly nothing shocking about that.
 

Tweek

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Just stupid. :rolleyes:
True, we need to reduce our dependency on oil so that we don't get dicked around by oil-rich Arab nations, but the ends doesn't justify the means here.



And what would Jesus drive? I'm thinking either a '73 International Harvester or an old beat-up Ford pickup. Nothing bling-blingity. :)
 

ohio

The Fresno Kid
Nov 26, 2001
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Originally posted by The Toninator
The Detroit Project anti-SUV ads let all other drivers off the hook. Is somebody who uses an SUV to cart their family around town really that much worse than a joy rider in a sports car? Is there some minimum miles-per-gallon threshold we can cross and be absolved from all complicity in global terror?
Great article. Thanks, Ton.

I like the point above best.
 

mrbigisbudgood

Strangely intrigued by Echo
Oct 30, 2001
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Originally posted by Tweek
Just stupid. :rolleyes:
True, we need to reduce our dependency on oil so that we don't get dicked around by oil-rich Arab nations, but the ends doesn't justify the means here.



And what would Jesus drive? I'm thinking either a '73 International Harvester or an old beat-up Ford pickup. Nothing bling-blingity. :)
Jesus wouldn't drive, he'd ride a fully rigid single speed with 1 3/8 tires and swept back bars......on the North Shore.
 

The Toninator

Muffin
Jul 6, 2001
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Originally posted by ohio
Great article. Thanks, Ton.

I like the point above best.
yea i really need to read it all. but that is a great phucking argument and a point i have been bringing up for a while. usually shuts people up but i want them to disagree or argue their point more. Not only are suv's using big engines but cars are going to bigger more inefficient engines too.
 

mrbigisbudgood

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Oct 30, 2001
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This can't be blamed soley on the SUV.

Look at all the plastic crap we buy. Look around where you are right now at all the plastic around you. Plastic is another oil based product.

We use ALOT of oil.....period. We can't blame this on just the SUV, that's a narrow minded argument. It's our dependancy on oil for pretty much EVERYTHING we do that is to blame. Launch an F-15, buy a new blender, fill up your VW Bug, mountain bikes, practically everything we do has to do with oil somehow. The big picture.....the big picture......
 

Damn True

Monkey Pimp
Sep 10, 2001
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Between a rock and a hard place.
Boy o boy Ton. You really have a thing against SUV's. You have your own little campaign going here.
Did your dog get run over by a Chevy Suburban as a kid?


Just pulling yer leg.

I own a '93 Jeep Cherokee. But I use it's capabilities regularly. The assertion that we should get rid of them because of gas useage or their precieved danger to other drivers is absurd. If someone has the means then they are within their rights to own/drive anything they like. I want to drive a vehicle that is safe for me and my family (don't spout the rollover crap, I know the limitis of my vehicle and I drive within them) I pay a penalty for it every time if visit Cheveron. If you want to drive an econo-crapbox your chosen penalty is a greater risk of injury in a collision. That is the risk you choose to take.
Id rather pay Cheveron than the county hospital.

Most of the people who bitch about it are just cheesed that they don't have one.
 

BullBiker

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Nov 5, 2001
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I try to buy gasoline from companies who DON'T get their oil from the mid-east. I go to BP usually, I think Hess is another. There is a e-mail floating around that lists them.

To blame SUV is just narrow minded thinking. Heck, even a motorcycle still needs gas.

I do drive an SUV, and also a 30 year old pick-up that is a gas hog as well. I just make sure I keep them filled up w/non mid-east supporting companies.

L8R
 

mrbigisbudgood

Strangely intrigued by Echo
Oct 30, 2001
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Charlotte, NC
Originally posted by The Toninator
Oh yea thanks bull biker and true. please dont forget bigass pickup trucks. 2door 4door and dullies. Also 18'wheelers should be in there too.
Farm equipment, military, people who don't use "Ride Share".......the list could go on for years and years.
 

patconnole

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Jun 4, 2002
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I've got no problem with picking on SUV's, and it would be even better if the same attention were brought to other gas-guzzlers... but SUV's are a marketing wonder, and easy to pick on.


Although the list could go on and on of gas-wasting products and institutions, that's no reason not to make a list....


Damn True, is it within your right to drive something that isn't safe for other families? Should other people have to choose safety/innefficiency over economy/environment because of your right to drive whaterver you want?
 

ohio

The Fresno Kid
Nov 26, 2001
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Originally posted by Damn True
The assertion that we should get rid of them because of gas useage or their precieved danger to other drivers is absurd.
So did you read the article, or just the headline?



By the way, you're wrong.
 

mrbigisbudgood

Strangely intrigued by Echo
Oct 30, 2001
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Originally posted by patconnole
not his vehicle, just the right to drive whatever you want.
There is something wrong with he right to drive whatever a person wants?

I can't say I agree with the purchase of a vehicle that gets 12mpg, I myself would not do it. But guess what, it's a free country, and I'll spend my money any damn way I please. If I decided today that I want an Excursion, I'll go buy one.

People with the "can't see over it", "gas guzzler" or whatever argument.......get over it. Can't see over it? Put a lift kit on your Cavalier instead of drop spindles.

Until Hitler makes a comback in the States, I'll drive what I want, how I want.
 

ohio

The Fresno Kid
Nov 26, 2001
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Originally posted by mrbigisbudgood
There is something wrong with he right to drive whatever a person wants?

I can't say I agree with the purchase of a vehicle that gets 12mpg, I myself would not do it. But guess what, it's a free country, and I'll spend my money any damn way I please.
Then I'm going to add forty 12" steel spikes around the perimeter of my car to protect from impact. It'll make sure I don't get tailgated, and make the occupants of my car that much safer. If I want to spend money to make me and my family safer, I should be able to right?

It's illegal? What kind of communist/fascist/socialist/elitist BS is THAT???
 

Damn True

Monkey Pimp
Sep 10, 2001
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Between a rock and a hard place.
Originally posted by The Toninator
what is unsafe about True's vehicle?
Nothing that I'm aware of. Though I pitty the Hyundai driver that runs a red light when I'm coming.

I was once rear ended while sitting at a stop light when I was living in Hawaii. I was hit from behind by a Honda Accord. Full on rice-racer type. He drove up under the back of my truck with such force that my rear tires were a full 10" off the ground. The impact forced me forward and up onto the back of a Toyota Tercel. My front tires were also off the ground. The top of the Hondas engine was shaved off by my rear bumper, his radiator and turbo intercooler were destroyed and pushed through the subfame rails by the rear end housing. The Tercel was caved in up to the lower mounting point of the rear window. Both cars were totalled by their insurance companies. The occupants of the rice-racer Honda were all hospitalized (no seatbelts). The tow truck driver pulled the imports out from under my truck and I drove to a barbeque. Had a little trouble picking the Honda bits out of the spring shackles but other than that my vehicle was unscathed. So in my estimation the value of my vehicle goes beyond its penalty at the gas pump.

Ohio: Yeah I read it, and no, I'm not wrong. There were a couple of good points. My post was in referance to the general anti-suv feelings which are IMO ludicrous.
 

Damn True

Monkey Pimp
Sep 10, 2001
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Between a rock and a hard place.
Originally posted by The Toninator
IMO the average car is to close to the ground.
Agreed.
If you look at potential impact points the design and testing of cars dosen't jive with real world accidents. How often does a Honda hit another Honda? When they crash test cars they either smash them into a wall or into a similar car.

Look at the front of a bus, diesel truck, or most other vehicles. The reality is that the vehicle you are in is designed to crumple in a certain way provided the angle of attack is along a given axis. That rarely happens. Yeah, areodynamics are a big part of vehicle design and are a function of fuel efficinecy. However, IMO occupant protection should be the first priority. There is a reason why Volvo's and other EURO-cars don't look like most asian imports. The Euro's build a strong, safe car, that performs well, then they wrap some sheet metal around it. The asian manufacturers seem to go about it in the opposite direction. Designing a shape and an efficient drivetrain. Then trying to make the structure fit under the shape.
 

mrbigisbudgood

Strangely intrigued by Echo
Oct 30, 2001
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Charlotte, NC
Originally posted by ohio
Then I'm going to add forty 12" steel spikes around the perimeter of my car to protect from impact. It'll make sure I don't get tailgated, and make the occupants of my car that much safer. If I want to spend money to make me and my family safer, I should be able to right?

It's illegal? What kind of communist/fascist/socialist/elitist BS is THAT???
12" spikes won't do a thing to a Kenworth with a bulldozer on a flatbed.

But.....if I had my choice between a Toyota Camry and an Excursion to be in when it gets hit by the Kenworth...well, what would you pick? What would your family be safer in? Would gas milege be a big concern at this point?
 

ohio

The Fresno Kid
Nov 26, 2001
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SF, CA
Originally posted by mrbigisbudgood
12" spikes won't do a thing to a Kenworth with a bulldozer on a flatbed.

But.....if I had my choice between a Toyota Camry and an Excursion to be in when it gets hit by the Kenworth...well, what would you pick?
Well only 5 would die in the camry, while 9 would die in the excursion.

I too pick the Kenworth.

I'm convinced. from now on, I only drive caterpillar rock dumps...