[-dustin]

yeah, i guess that's the one. i've only seen 3 Cervelos and 2 of them were P3s, so i'm not too familiar with them.

 

[draco]

you talkin about a R3 Cervelo i take it ?

I know at least on the R3 that the seatstays are only there to meet UCI frame design regulations - the bike was designed without them being needed structurally.

SuperSix at the shop today has a similar look.. its plenty stiff laterally, but soakes up the bumps nicely.

 

[Bikebro]

I don't really see anything new in the madone. Look already has a fork that doesn't use a bearing race and Gary Klein did the the tapered steer tube in 1993. Hell the fork that has been coming on the madones since their launch was mostly a 10 yr old Klein design. I can't believe they are even trying to call the seat post integrated when it is nothing more then a reverse of the current seat post. WoW its seat tube inside a seat post instead of the other way around. With all the overlap I don't see how it saves any weight.

I will give them alot of credit for making a more modern design that looks good though. C-Dale bikes just get uglier to me as they keep making everything so huge.

 

[MtnbikeMike]

I don't really see anything new in the madone. Look already has a fork that doesn't use a bearing race and Gary Klein did the the tapered steer tube in 1993. Hell the fork that has been coming on the madones since their launch was mostly a 10 yr old Klein design. I can't believe they are even trying to call the seat post integrated when it is nothing more then a reverse of the current seat post. WoW its seat tube inside a seat post instead of the other way around. With all the overlap I don't see how it saves any weight.

I will give them alot of credit for making a more modern design that looks good though. C-Dale bikes just get uglier to me as they keep making everything so huge.

Did the '93 Klein use a 1.5" lower bearing? They claim the seatpost does save weight(afterall the did design it), though the place it clamps puts less stress on the frame, the tubes are larger in diameter, thus they can use less material. Plus there's no more overlap than a standard seatpost.

The BB isn't something new?

 

[DirtyMike]

Ok lots of fuss over the BB on the Madone. The bearing are not pressed in, you can in fact change them by hand with no problems. Was curious myself, so i took one apart to se for myself. Shop gets to test ride on thursday and friday..... I cant wait.

 

[MtnbikeMike]

I saw one in the LBS today...that downtube is massively wide. And the Ultegra SL stuff is purdy.

 

[DRB]

You're probably right in that eventually there will be good electronic shifting, but I'll be surprised if it really catches on in the next 20 years.

20 years? I'd guess more like 20 months.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/tech.php?id=tech/2007/features/dauphine_libere_207

Obviously a prototype but Shimano has been putting a lot of effort into an electronic group.

 

[JRogers]

20 years? I'd guess more like 20 months.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/tech.php?id=tech/2007/features/dauphine_libere_207

Obviously a prototype but Shimano has been putting a lot of effort into an electronic group.

You kidding? Do you know how long that crap has been floating around? It looks mad cobbly to me- very, very far from production, if it ever makes it there anyway.