And by the way Slug, your two sources are in direct conflict about whether peak oil is real or not.
jesus lordy...what is up with the gas prices?
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I am paying 2.499 to fill up my Bronco II. It sucks, but if i want to drive i am going to pay it. I may think about it more on long trips I.E. Bellingham,E. Washington ect. But i think if i road trip i will make a weekend of it so i can get my monies worth.
I don't think there is any debate about the idea of peak oil being real or not, it's just an argument about when that actual peak will occure, but this really isn't the point either. The real point, and it will be hard for anyone to refute this, is we have reached the END of cheap oil. Who cares at what point in the bell curve we are at, the reality is we are just now starting to feel the affects of the price of crude almost doubling in the last 5 years in our daily lives. These hikes in the price of crude will only be more and more dramatic. So Narlus, if you need a 5.7 liter engine, buy a desiel and run it on vegatable oil. That's what they were designed for to begin with. Bio-desiel is a bit more expesive right now, but that won't be the case for much longer.
Is this kind of like the coming of the new Ice Age?JerseyDave said:
JD, i don't need a gas sucker. my little jap car runs fine, and i actually left it in the garage today and rode my bike in.
bio-diesel is an interesting topic though...my brother-in-law is head of the physics dept at a local prep school, and one of the projects he and his class was working on involved an electric/bio-diesel hybrid.
bio-diesel is an interesting topic though...my brother-in-law is head of the physics dept at a local prep school, and one of the projects he and his class was working on involved an electric/bio-diesel hybrid.
One question I've not been able to find an answer to, maybe he can help. How many acres of soy bean would I need to grow to produce enough bio-diesel to drive my car for a year? Maybe he can help. Figure 40 mpg, 20,000 miles a year. 500 gallons. I too drive a sentra. I have a T100 for work stuff and it kills me.
In the short term, It doesn't matter if it's not enough refineries, or we've reached the point of diminishing returns in oil exploration, gas is going up for the forseeable future.
As for the long term. the last I read the was we were within 1m barrels a day of the worlds maxium oil production. China is growing, they're trying to buy oil reserves any way they can, even if it means buying an entire American oil company. I don't think prices are going down long term either.
You should read this
As for the long term. the last I read the was we were within 1m barrels a day of the worlds maxium oil production. China is growing, they're trying to buy oil reserves any way they can, even if it means buying an entire American oil company. I don't think prices are going down long term either.
You should read this
all the more reason to pursue alternative energies
bio diesel, ethanol, fuel cells
heres a positively shocking idea....
freaking BIKE lanes in all major cities :angry:
my location has been squandering money on study after study on a light rail systemt that either a) will never be built or b) never get used when c) they could've built some FVCKING bike lanes
bio diesel, ethanol, fuel cells
heres a positively shocking idea....
freaking BIKE lanes in all major cities :angry:
my location has been squandering money on study after study on a light rail systemt that either a) will never be built or b) never get used when c) they could've built some FVCKING bike lanes
JerseyDave said:
It takes a lot of acreage.
I dont remember the figures, but if the US wants to switch all diesel to BD, we can say "good bye" to food thats grown in the US. Do some searching on Algea as a source of BD, quite interesting.
My solution to this is to not get a car. I'm getting my license in a month or two and when I get it I won't drive anyways. I can't pay for a car, and I'm very lucky to live in a town where I can easily bike everywhere.
The US will pay for it's crappy short-sighted urban planning.
The US will pay for it's crappy short-sighted urban planning.
This might be the ultimate in pot / kettle.Changleen said:
CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP. I hope all the oil runs out. Empty. I could care less. Nothing gets to me, I'll live in the woods with my large stash of booze and drugs. I could give a ****JerseyDave said:
Peak oil, terrorism, nuclear war. I'm ready, bring it. Jesus is my savior.
Knuckle
actually, i went to see a band last night (magnolia electric company)and it got me thinking about JD's comments about the ripple effect on prices...the economy is driven by energy, and as those costs go up, everything else does. so as jason molina's van stops to refuel, and it costs more, and the electricity needed to drive the PA is more $, well, yr ticket price just went up too.
i still got my money's worth last night, though.
i still got my money's worth last night, though.
over $3 in some parts here in so cal..
Interesting... had not seen/heard that.DRB said:
But it does state that the facility was one of the most profitable... so why close it? Regardless of the amount of profit - it was more profitable than others then the should shut down one of the LEAST profitable ones.DRB said:
Regardless - I only got into this thread b/c of your "tinfoil hat" comment. You dismiss people's frustration with gas price gouging with attempts to label them as crazy or conspiracy theorist. However they are right that it is done intentionally.
I understand it's not a conspiracy - it's actually damn good business. Hell if I owned a business and could charge huge fees for my services I would - that's the way capitalism works. Supply demand - since the demand is so large I'll make sure to limit the supply and drive the price through the roof.
People need to understand that cheap fuel/electricity are not a right that we have under the constitution. It's a product that we've become dependant on, but it's still a product.
I wish I was in the oil business... I'd find every way possible to charge as much as I could, and laugh every time a car went by me while I was riding my bicycle. :evil:
I saw a gas station yesterday that was $3.01 for 92 octane. So far, the highest I have seen for 87 octane was $2.80. I'm sure it will keep going up...fiddy_ryder said:
www.e85fuel.com
E85 only uses 15% petroleum, burns cleaner, has 105 octane, is easily produced in the midwest, cheaper per gallon (worse MPG though), some cars are already compatible (taurus, caravan, 2005 status )
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/fcv_PEM.shtml
hydrogen is 5 years off at least (for people with 5 or 6 digit incomes anyway), but is surprisingly practical
http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=3&article_id=9640&page_number=1
E85 only uses 15% petroleum, burns cleaner, has 105 octane, is easily produced in the midwest, cheaper per gallon (worse MPG though), some cars are already compatible (taurus, caravan, 2005 status )
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/fcv_PEM.shtml
hydrogen is 5 years off at least (for people with 5 or 6 digit incomes anyway), but is surprisingly practical
http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=3&article_id=9640&page_number=1
Naw - they're making plastics out of corn now.chicodude01 said:
No you get screwed with a hybrid now too. Beacause you use less gas you pay less taxes on gas. So now the government is making hybrid owners pay more to register their car... ALOT MORE. Either way you get screwed.gigapower said:
Just for your information.
The price for 1 liter of fuel here (Holland) is $1.65....
You guys get it for free.
The price for 1 liter of fuel here (Holland) is $1.65....
You guys get it for free.
Only $0.50? That is still a hell of a lot for one gallon of gas.mack said:
If you want good info on Peak Oil, check here: Life After the Oil Crash . There are a lot of good links on that site. Granted, some of it may be a little far fetched, but there's a good amount of it that's plausible.
BTW, gas just broke the $2.30 mark here in Abilene. The shocking part was that it was $2.09 at noon at$2.33 at 3:00 p.m.
BTW, gas just broke the $2.30 mark here in Abilene. The shocking part was that it was $2.09 at noon at$2.33 at 3:00 p.m.
Right now across the street at the cheapy gas station from where I live it's $2.73/2.83/2.93 respectively. Last night while driving I saw $2.89/2.99/3.09. It's getting close to toss the 350 v8 pickup and go find one of these inline 4-banger pickups.
Gas prices are a joke. If people boycott buying gas well........what good that does. It has to stop at the pumps. If the gas stations just said F-it, we'll have a national stop day then so be it. I don't drive enough to care what the gas goes up to, but Paying $45 to fill my tank, to $50, to $55, and now probably close to $60 sucks. I dunno why American people can't figure it out that these oil companies over seas are rich, beyond what we in america would call "rich". Someone here in town might have a expensive mercades/BMW/whatever, giant home, toys etc....well they have 10x what you have and still have 100x more $$$ in the bank. The U.S should just send our troops over to hijack the oil fields. Send a message you know? I'm kidding of course but it'd be nice for them to see that they can't do this.
It doesn't help with everything growing as far as demand goes. Electric cars and such seem like such a great idea but there's too many cars out there that are older that alot of america can't afford to trade in or make payments, in reality for myself, being 23, I can afford the payments, I can't afford the insurance. If they told people with cars that guzzle gas to trade their car in and get a decent credit towards a new one that saves gas I'd probably do it. But they don't, and they won't unless gas really soars, then the car companies are going to have to do something if they want to stay afloat and giving people employee discounts isn't going to cut it.
It just makes you think what this world is comming to. Gas prices high, insurance prices high, no health insurance for most of the U.S.A, people get let off for multiple muders after spending less than 7 years in jail, pedifiles galore all over the place, no cure for cancer or aids or anything............WTF is wrong with U.S.A. If we're suspose to be the worlds biggest economy we sure suck at it in some ways. Where does all this tax money we pay go towards? Bush getting his $500+ cowboy boots? New helicopters to ride in? Kobe beef nightly for dinner? I dunno but something isn't right.
Sorry for the rant, but come on, it makes you think what is wrong here. Places can barley afford to keep afloat as is, businesses or just the normal person in their day to day life. So you raise gas, which the world sorta revolves around just like life revolves around money (no matter how much you don't think money is everything, get real, it is) and you expect people to just accept it? Until the general public protests this crap from the goverment it'll contine, past $3 a gallon, past $3.50 a gallon, and probably pushing $4 a gallon while we, the working class become poorer, and the saudi's and whoever else we get our oil from pockets get fatter.
Gas prices are a joke. If people boycott buying gas well........what good that does. It has to stop at the pumps. If the gas stations just said F-it, we'll have a national stop day then so be it. I don't drive enough to care what the gas goes up to, but Paying $45 to fill my tank, to $50, to $55, and now probably close to $60 sucks. I dunno why American people can't figure it out that these oil companies over seas are rich, beyond what we in america would call "rich". Someone here in town might have a expensive mercades/BMW/whatever, giant home, toys etc....well they have 10x what you have and still have 100x more $$$ in the bank. The U.S should just send our troops over to hijack the oil fields. Send a message you know? I'm kidding of course but it'd be nice for them to see that they can't do this.
It doesn't help with everything growing as far as demand goes. Electric cars and such seem like such a great idea but there's too many cars out there that are older that alot of america can't afford to trade in or make payments, in reality for myself, being 23, I can afford the payments, I can't afford the insurance. If they told people with cars that guzzle gas to trade their car in and get a decent credit towards a new one that saves gas I'd probably do it. But they don't, and they won't unless gas really soars, then the car companies are going to have to do something if they want to stay afloat and giving people employee discounts isn't going to cut it.
It just makes you think what this world is comming to. Gas prices high, insurance prices high, no health insurance for most of the U.S.A, people get let off for multiple muders after spending less than 7 years in jail, pedifiles galore all over the place, no cure for cancer or aids or anything............WTF is wrong with U.S.A. If we're suspose to be the worlds biggest economy we sure suck at it in some ways. Where does all this tax money we pay go towards? Bush getting his $500+ cowboy boots? New helicopters to ride in? Kobe beef nightly for dinner? I dunno but something isn't right.
Sorry for the rant, but come on, it makes you think what is wrong here. Places can barley afford to keep afloat as is, businesses or just the normal person in their day to day life. So you raise gas, which the world sorta revolves around just like life revolves around money (no matter how much you don't think money is everything, get real, it is) and you expect people to just accept it? Until the general public protests this crap from the goverment it'll contine, past $3 a gallon, past $3.50 a gallon, and probably pushing $4 a gallon while we, the working class become poorer, and the saudi's and whoever else we get our oil from pockets get fatter.
Dude. Take your misinformed a$$ over to the PD forum.Spunger said:
The topic isn't, but your rant full of foolishness is.Spunger said:
I just paid $2.78 gal...for diesel - I'm glad I get 45+ mpg.
It's not a question of how much Uncle Sam is making, it's all the companies that the members of our Government work for that are making the money. C'mon, do you really not get the whole "revolving door between the board room and the cabinet" thing. In a nut shell it goes like this. Guy gets elected. Appoints all these former Heads of large Cooperations to high Gov. (non elected) positions. There they deregulate the inidustry they just left (but ussually still own huge stock in), then they leave our government with a lifetime pension for serving. Get appointed to two or three postions over 15-20 years, say for Reagan, Bush1, Bush2, as alot of these guys have, and your looking at a few hundred thousand a year, for life, taxpayer dollars, plus you exercised your stock options you had left over from Haliburton, or Lockhee/Martin, or Shell, or Bechtel...who all just made so much coin off this "war", I mean the poicies they helped shape, that you make a few mill. on that deal. Then you get appointed back on the board of said company with a fat raise. And don't worry, any purgery or obstruction of congress you may have commited while defending your president, you'll get pardoned, and that will gaurentee a payback down the line. Cough...Negroponte and the rest of the Iran contra bunch...cough. wooops, there I go again. Can someone please fix all my typos again.
PS
Mousillini said fascism is the blending of Coorperations and Government.
How is our system different again?
PS
Mousillini said fascism is the blending of Coorperations and Government.
How is our system different again?
Update from Canada: I remember in 1998, in Monteal, gas was sitting at about .60-something cents per litre. I went to school in Ottawa and saw gas at .50-something cents a litre.
They (news, tv, radio...etc) used to say that one day we'd hit $1.00 per litre and it has in the last year or so. The local Petro-Canada has it for $1.04 per litre now. I thought it was because I'm living Victoria on Vancouver Island where everything is expensive because there are no bridges. EVERYTHING has to get ferried in from the BC mainlaind. I was in Vancouver just 2 weeks ago and yep...pretty much the same gas prices. Because of all the hills around here, I can almost hear and feel my car gulping gas like crazy!
I don't know if the CDN government is in on it (I'm sure they are) but the sad thing is: we can't just say 'no' and stop using gas. Forget it, it's going to keep going up and up and there's no stopping it.
I'm just trying to keep my car is decent shape so it doesn't waste too much gas (tune ups, more air pressure...etc).
They (news, tv, radio...etc) used to say that one day we'd hit $1.00 per litre and it has in the last year or so. The local Petro-Canada has it for $1.04 per litre now. I thought it was because I'm living Victoria on Vancouver Island where everything is expensive because there are no bridges. EVERYTHING has to get ferried in from the BC mainlaind. I was in Vancouver just 2 weeks ago and yep...pretty much the same gas prices. Because of all the hills around here, I can almost hear and feel my car gulping gas like crazy!
I don't know if the CDN government is in on it (I'm sure they are) but the sad thing is: we can't just say 'no' and stop using gas. Forget it, it's going to keep going up and up and there's no stopping it.
I'm just trying to keep my car is decent shape so it doesn't waste too much gas (tune ups, more air pressure...etc).
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