[samtaleterapi]

im considering getting a bmx bike (i already have a mob/831)
i guess i want it to be equally suited to street and dirt
is the verde geometry too street to work equally well on dirt?

thanks
rasmus
ps i dont know why the image is so bad, but the numbers are clear if you click the image
or you could look at http://verdebmx.com/2012/spectrum.html

 

[sittingduck]

That's closer to trails geo than street geo by today's standards. 13.5 CS is the only spec that really stands out... but that's probably slammed, so you could relax that a tad, I imagine.

 

[samtaleterapi]

what are today's standards for street, park and dirt?
and what would a combination be?
thanks
rasmus

 

[cmc]

In bmx these days, there a ton of choices among minor differences....

It's worth reading what Deluxe has to say though:
http://deluxebmx.com/faq/

http://www.empirebmx.com/store/empire_SupplierCategoryProducts.asp?idCategory=1012


Liquor Bikes Liteweight frame
$349.95
20.5", 20.75", 21", 21.25" TT, 13.75" CS (slammed), 75 HA, 71 SA, 11.5" BBH, 5mm drops w/14mm slots; 4.8 lbs, welded SS brake mounts and guide, integrated HT with and Mid BB shell, Liquor logo on HT, made by Solid Bikes



Bone Deth Creepazoid frame
$329.95
Sean Burns signature - 20.5", 21" TT, 13.65" CS, 74.5 HA, 71 SA, 11.8" BBH, 8.5" SOH, 5.25 lbs; removable brake mounts/guides, gyro tab holes, Sanko cromo tubing, double-butted DT, Mid BB shell, integrated post clamp, TT and DT gussets
http://www.empirebmx.com/store/comersus_viewItem.asp?idProduct=9936


FBM Gypsy 2 frame
$369.95
20.5", 20.75", 21" TT, 13.625" CS (slammed), 74.5 HA, 71 SA, 11.5" BBH, 8.75" SOH, 3/16" drops with 14mm slots; 4.9 lbs (no brake hardware); removable brake mounts and guide, integrated HT with removable gyro tab holes, Mid BB shell; Supertherm TT and DT

Federal Lacey frame - 2010
$319.95
20", 20.5", 21" TT, 13.75" CS, 75.5 HA, 5 lbs (21" TT), 11.8" BBH, 9" SOH, removeable brake mounts and guides (included), integrated head tube, Mid BB shell, integrated clamp

Flybikes Pantera 4 frame
$319.95
20.6" or 21" TT, 13.75" CS, 75 HA, 71 SA, 11.75" BBH, 4.83 lbs; SBS removeable brake mounts/guides, investment cast dropouts, tapered TT, DT, ST, and stays, offset thickness HT, integrated DT gusset, removeable tensioners

Flybikes Montana 2011 frame
$319.95
21" TT, 13.60" CS, 75 HA, 69 SA, 11.75" BBH, 8.4" SOH, 4.69 lbs; EBS removable brake mounts/guides and gyro tabs, investment cast dropouts, tapered TT, DT, ST, and stays, Spanish BB shell, removable tensioners, and integrated post clamp

S&M ATF frame
$369.95
20", 20.25", 20.5", 20.75", 21", 21.25" TT, 13.4" CS, 75 HA, 71 SA, 11.8" bb height, 4.75 lbs; integrated seat post clamp, top and down tube gussets, removeable seatstay brake mounts, integrated head tube and Mid b/b shell

S&M Randy Brown frame
$369.95
20.5", 20.75", 21" TT, 13.55" CS (slammed 25/9 with half link), 75 HA, 71 SA, 11.8" bb height, 4.2 lbs; integrated seat post clamp, down tube gusset, removeable seatstay brake mounts, integrated head tube and Mid b/b shell

 

[sittingduck]

The main difference will be head angle (steeper for street), and chainstay length (shorter for street). I've seen 13.0" chainstays, and 75.5 degree head angles...

 

[nyhc00]

what's your price range Sam? I just built up a Fly Lago frame that I/d be willing to sell. For no other reason than I'm in the mood to ride a US frame again, and S&M makes awesome frames.

 

[samtaleterapi]

just bought the 2011 verde
radia complete yesterday for 373 english pounds
thanks for the interest though
(and by the way, the 13.5 CS is slammed and verde says that by adding chain links i could make it 14 if i wanted to)