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Hillary secretly hopes for Bush win
Victory for John Kerry would kill Hillary Clinton's dream of returning to claim the White House
The Austrailian | 11.01.04 | Sarah Baxter

THE crowd stomped and cheered as Hillary Clinton arrived on stage. "Go Hillary 2008!" one woman yelled. There were a few startled giggles at this off-message cry, for this was a John Kerry rally.

For Hillary, as she is universally known, to stand next time, Kerry would have to lose tomorrow; it was officially unthinkable for Democrats.

In the audience at a community college in the battleground state of Pennsylvania last week were hundreds of Hillary fans who were making do with Kerry.

"Early on I wanted her to run but I've grown to like this guy," said psychologist Phyllis Shaken, 61. "I can't say I like him the way I like Hillary and Bill, but I admire the way he has withstood the pressure."

Hillary has been watching this election intently. Should Kerry win, her own presidential aspirations are toast. Barring some catastrophe, Kerry would seek re-election in four years' time.

By 2012, Hillary, who was 57 last week, will be 65. Theoretically there would be time for her to stand, but the US would have moved on.

Bill Clinton has made no secret of his desire to be the first "first gentleman" in US history. He longs to be back in the White House, with memories of the Monica Lewinsky hanky-panky erased by his wife's victory.

It would be the ultimate vindication of their highly political marriage, a mixture of true love and a confluence of interest.

However, right-wing pundits such as Fox News talkshow host Sean Hannity are already preparing a Hillary Watch, should George W.Bush win.

His campaign to stop her reaching the White House will begin the very next day.

One Pennsylvanian admirer said of Hillary last week: "The problem is she doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of winning, and I like winning.

"She would get creamed in the Midwest. Too many people really hate her guts."

It was this calculation that led her to suspend her presidential ambitions for this year. She remained coolly on the sidelines, aware this election was Bush's to lose.

After seemingly successful military campaigns in Afghanistan and Iraq, a Democrat president in 2004 was a long shot. Besides, Hillary had her work cut out as senator for New York. Her new job was an opportunity to persuade a sceptical public that she was more than just a political spouse.

Time was supposed to be on her side, until Kerry suddenly looked like the "good closer" his supporters have always boasted he was.

The Clintons were thus caught in a dilemma. Spending too much time boosting Kerry was clearly going to be counter-productive to their own interests. Cold-shouldering him would alienate the loyal Democrat Party grassroots.

The emergence of a heart problem and dramatic quadruple heart bypass removed Bill Clinton from the race at a very convenient moment.

The former president emerged to campaign only in the final week, giving himself maximum exposure and boosting Kerry -- without overdoing it.

"Chilly" Hilly does not have Bill's people skills. She also has to contend with a mountain of hostility towards what is perceived to be her ultra-feminist yet calculating political persona.

Yet the former first lady, who has proved herself adept at baking cookies and standing by her man, has adopted centrist policies in the past four years. Hillary not only authorised the President to go to war but, unlike Kerry, also voted for the contentious $US87 billion ($116 billion) in financial aid to support the troops in battle.

While she always sounds enthusiastically pro-Democrat, she is not quite so obviously gung-ho for Kerry. Yet she and her husband have helped his campaign, not least by loaning him two of their most savvy political advisers, Joe Lockhart and Mike McCurry.

So, should Kerry win, he will owe the Clintons. Yet it is not clear how he will reward them.

There are reports Bill would like to replace Kofi Annan as head of the United Nations, but that might give him too independent a platform.

As for Hillary, a lawyer by profession, conservatives are spreading the rumour that she will be elevated to the Supreme Court, where her pro-choice views on abortion would be appreciated by feminist Democrats. It seems, however, to be nothing more than an electoral scare tactic.

The truth is that the best personal political outcome for the Clintons remains a Bush victory.

The Sunday Times
 

Tenchiro

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I wonder if this country will really be ready for a woman president by then. What do you think will come first a Black Man or a White Woman president?
 

zod

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To take my statement farther....... I think that the first black(male) president will be a Republican.
 

bomberz1qr20

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zod said:
To take my statement farther....... I think that the first black(male) president will be a Republican.
I agree. They'd push a black man in office to try to make the republicans seem almost...human.
 

ohio

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nicklin said:
Word.

i always found it funny how the Democratic Party, despite its liberal claims, has had less minority in the top posts. I would hope for a Demoratic Male African American Secretary of State first.......
I know they all look the same to you, but Colin and Condi are actually only two people.

Let's have a look at the House of Reps, shall we? (edit: Ha, at first I thought this list was selectively editted for Dems... but after some research, it ISN'T. Reps have JC Watts and Gary Franks, and that's it for the modern era apparently.)
Representative Oscar DePriest (Republican, Illinois) 1929-1935
Representative Arthur W. Mitchell (Democrat, Illinois) 1935-1943
Representative William L. Dawson (Democrat, Illinois) 1943-1970
Representative Adam Clayton Powell, Jr (Democrat, New York) 1945-1967, 1969-1971
Representative Charles C. Diggs, Jr (Democrat, Michigan) 1955-1980
Representative Robert N. C. Nix (Democrat, Pennsylvania) 1958-1978
Representative Augustus F. Hawkins (Democrat, California) 1963-1990
Representative John Conyers, Jr (Democrat, Michigan) from 1965
Representative William L. Clay, Sr (Democrat, Missouri) 1969-2000
Representative Louis Stokes (Democrat, Ohio) 1969-1998
Representative Shirley Chisholm (Democrat, New York) 1969-1982
Representative George W. Collins (Democrat, Illinois) 1970-1972
Representative Ronald V. Dellums (Democrat, California) 1971-1998
Representative Ralph H. Metcalfe (Democrat, Illinois) 1971-1978
Representative Parren H. Mitchell (Democrat, Maryland) 1971-1986
Representative Charles B. Rangel (Democrat, New York) from 1971
Representative Yvonne Brathwaite Burke (Democrat, California) 1973-1979
Representative Cardiss Collins (Democrat, Illinois) 1973-1996
Representative Barbara Jordan (Democrat, Texas) 1973-1978
Representative Andrew Young (Democrat, Georgia) 1973-1977
Representative Harold E. Ford (Democrat, Tennessee) 1975-1996
Representative Julian C. Dixon (Democrat, California) 1979-2000
Representative William H. Gray, III (Democrat, Pennsylvania) 1979-1991
Representative Mickey Leland (Democrat, Texas) 1979-1989
Representative Bennett McVey Steward (Democrat, Illinois) 1979-1980
Representative George W. Crockett (Democrat, Michigan) 1980-1990
Representative Mervyn M. Dymally (Democrat, California) 1981-1992
Representative Gus Savage (Democrat, Illinois) 1981-1992
Representative Harold Washington (Democrat, Illinois) 1981-1983
Representative Katie Hall (Democrat, Indiana) 1982-1984
Representative Major Owens (Democrat, New York) from 1983
Representative Edolphus Towns (Democrat, New York) from 1983
Representative Alan Wheat (Democrat, Missouri) 1983-1994
Representative Charles Hayes (Democrat, Illinois) 1983-1992
Representative Alton R. Waldon, Jr (Democrat, New York) 1986-1987
Representative Mike Espy (Democrat, Mississippi) 1987-1993
Representative Floyd Flake (Democrat, New York) 1987-1997
Representative John Lewis (Democrat, Georgia) from 1987
Representative Kweisi Mfume (Democrat, Maryland) 1987-1995
Representative Donald Payne (Democrat, New Jersey) from 1989
Representative Craig A. Washington (Democrat, Texas) 1989-1994
Representative Barbara-Rose Collins (Democrat, Michigan) 1991-1996
Representative Gary Franks (Republican, Connecticut) 1991-1996
Representative William Jefferson (Democrat, Louisiana) from 1991
Representative Maxine Waters (Democrat, California) from 1991
Representative Lucien Blackwell (Democrat, Pennsylvania) 1991-1994
Representative Eva Clayton (Democrat, North Carolina) from 1992
Representative Sanford Bishop (Democrat, Georgia) from 1993
Representative Corrine Brown (Democrat, Florida) from 1993
Representative Jim Clyburn (Democrat, South Carolina) from 1993
Representative Cleo Fields (Democrat, Louisiana) 1993-1996
Representative Alcee Hastings (Democrat, Florida) from 1993
Representative Earl Hilliard (Democrat, Alabama) 1993-2003
Representative Eddie Bernice Johnson (Democrat, Texas) from 1993
Representative Cynthia McKinney (Democrat, Georgia) 1993-2003
Representative Carrie Meek (Democrat, Florida) 1993-2003
Representative Mel Reynolds (Democrat, Illinois) 1993-1995
Representative Bobby Rush (Democrat, Illinois) from 1993
Representative Bobby Scott (Democrat, Virginia) from 1993
Representative Walter Tucker (Democrat, California) 1993-1995
Representative Mel Watt (Democrat, North Carolina) from 1993
Representative Albert Wynn (Democrat, Maryland) from 1993
Representative Bennie Thompson (Democrat, Mississippi) from 1993
Representative Chaka Fattah (Democrat, Pennsylvania) from 1995
Representative Sheila Jackson Lee (Democrat, Texas) from 1995
Representative Julius Caesar Watts (Republican, Oklahoma) 1995-2003
Representative Jesse Jackson, Jr (Democrat, Illinois) from 1995
Representative Juanita Millender-McDonald (Democrat, California) from 1996
Representative Elijah Cummings (Democrat, Maryland) from 1996
Representative Julia Carson (Democrat, Indiana) from 1997
Representative Danny K. Davis (Democrat, Illinois) from 1997
Representative Harold Ford, Jr (Democrat, Tennessee) from 1997
Representative Carolyn Cheeks Kilpatrick (Democrat, Michigan) from 1997
Representative Gregory W. Meeks (Democrat, New York) from 1998
Representative Barbara Lee (Democrat, California) from 1998
Representative Stephanie Tubbs Jones (Democrat, Ohio) from 1999
Representative William Lacy Clay, Jr (Democrat, Missouri) from 2001
Representative Artur Davis (Democrat, Alabama) from 2003
Representative Denise Majette (Democrat, Georgia) from 2003
Representative Kendrick Meek (Democrat, Florida) from 2003


How about women?
The fourteen women currently serving in the Senate are: Barbara Boxer (D-CA); Maria Cantwell (D-WA); Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-NY); Susan Collins (R-ME); Elizabeth Dole (R-NC); Dianne Feinstein (D-CA); Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-TX); Mary Landrieu (D-LA); Blanche Lincoln (D-AR); Barbara Mikulski (D-MD); Lisa Murkowski (R-AK); Patty Murray (D-WA); Olympia Snowe (R-ME); and Debbie Stabenow (D-MI).
Total 5 Repubs, 9 Dems

Sixty women from 26 states serve in the House of Representatives; 39 are Democrats and 21 are Republicans.
 

bomberz1qr20

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ohio said:
I know they all look the same to you, but Colin and Condi are actually only two people.

Let's have a look at the House of Reps, shall we?
Representative Oscar DePriest (Republican, Illinois) 1929-1935
Representative Arthur W. Mitchell (Democrat, Illinois) 1935-1943
Representative William L. Dawson (Democrat, Illinois) 1943-1970
Representative Adam Clayton Powell, Jr (Democrat, New York) 1945-1967, 1969-1971
Representative Charles C. Diggs, Jr (Democrat, Michigan) 1955-1980
Representative Robert N. C. Nix (Democrat, Pennsylvania) 1958-1978
Representative Augustus F. Hawkins (Democrat, California) 1963-1990
Representative John Conyers, Jr (Democrat, Michigan) from 1965
Representative William L. Clay, Sr (Democrat, Missouri) 1969-2000
Representative Louis Stokes (Democrat, Ohio) 1969-1998
Representative Shirley Chisholm (Democrat, New York) 1969-1982
Representative George W. Collins (Democrat, Illinois) 1970-1972
Representative Ronald V. Dellums (Democrat, California) 1971-1998
Representative Ralph H. Metcalfe (Democrat, Illinois) 1971-1978
Representative Parren H. Mitchell (Democrat, Maryland) 1971-1986
Representative Charles B. Rangel (Democrat, New York) from 1971
Representative Yvonne Brathwaite Burke (Democrat, California) 1973-1979
Representative Cardiss Collins (Democrat, Illinois) 1973-1996
Representative Barbara Jordan (Democrat, Texas) 1973-1978
Representative Andrew Young (Democrat, Georgia) 1973-1977
Representative Harold E. Ford (Democrat, Tennessee) 1975-1996
Representative Julian C. Dixon (Democrat, California) 1979-2000
Representative William H. Gray, III (Democrat, Pennsylvania) 1979-1991
Representative Mickey Leland (Democrat, Texas) 1979-1989
Representative Bennett McVey Steward (Democrat, Illinois) 1979-1980
Representative George W. Crockett (Democrat, Michigan) 1980-1990
Representative Mervyn M. Dymally (Democrat, California) 1981-1992
Representative Gus Savage (Democrat, Illinois) 1981-1992
Representative Harold Washington (Democrat, Illinois) 1981-1983
Representative Katie Hall (Democrat, Indiana) 1982-1984
Representative Major Owens (Democrat, New York) from 1983
Representative Edolphus Towns (Democrat, New York) from 1983
Representative Alan Wheat (Democrat, Missouri) 1983-1994
Representative Charles Hayes (Democrat, Illinois) 1983-1992
Representative Alton R. Waldon, Jr (Democrat, New York) 1986-1987
Representative Mike Espy (Democrat, Mississippi) 1987-1993
Representative Floyd Flake (Democrat, New York) 1987-1997
Representative John Lewis (Democrat, Georgia) from 1987
Representative Kweisi Mfume (Democrat, Maryland) 1987-1995
Representative Donald Payne (Democrat, New Jersey) from 1989
Representative Craig A. Washington (Democrat, Texas) 1989-1994
Representative Barbara-Rose Collins (Democrat, Michigan) 1991-1996
Representative Gary Franks (Republican, Connecticut) 1991-1996
Representative William Jefferson (Democrat, Louisiana) from 1991
Representative Maxine Waters (Democrat, California) from 1991
Representative Lucien Blackwell (Democrat, Pennsylvania) 1991-1994
Representative Eva Clayton (Democrat, North Carolina) from 1992
Representative Sanford Bishop (Democrat, Georgia) from 1993
Representative Corrine Brown (Democrat, Florida) from 1993
Representative Jim Clyburn (Democrat, South Carolina) from 1993
Representative Cleo Fields (Democrat, Louisiana) 1993-1996
Representative Alcee Hastings (Democrat, Florida) from 1993
Representative Earl Hilliard (Democrat, Alabama) 1993-2003
Representative Eddie Bernice Johnson (Democrat, Texas) from 1993
Representative Cynthia McKinney (Democrat, Georgia) 1993-2003
Representative Carrie Meek (Democrat, Florida) 1993-2003
Representative Mel Reynolds (Democrat, Illinois) 1993-1995
Representative Bobby Rush (Democrat, Illinois) from 1993
Representative Bobby Scott (Democrat, Virginia) from 1993
Representative Walter Tucker (Democrat, California) 1993-1995
Representative Mel Watt (Democrat, North Carolina) from 1993
Representative Albert Wynn (Democrat, Maryland) from 1993
Representative Bennie Thompson (Democrat, Mississippi) from 1993
Representative Chaka Fattah (Democrat, Pennsylvania) from 1995
Representative Sheila Jackson Lee (Democrat, Texas) from 1995
Representative Julius Caesar Watts (Republican, Oklahoma) 1995-2003
Representative Jesse Jackson, Jr (Democrat, Illinois) from 1995
Representative Juanita Millender-McDonald (Democrat, California) from 1996
Representative Elijah Cummings (Democrat, Maryland) from 1996
Representative Julia Carson (Democrat, Indiana) from 1997
Representative Danny K. Davis (Democrat, Illinois) from 1997
Representative Harold Ford, Jr (Democrat, Tennessee) from 1997
Representative Carolyn Cheeks Kilpatrick (Democrat, Michigan) from 1997
Representative Gregory W. Meeks (Democrat, New York) from 1998
Representative Barbara Lee (Democrat, California) from 1998
Representative Stephanie Tubbs Jones (Democrat, Ohio) from 1999
Representative William Lacy Clay, Jr (Democrat, Missouri) from 2001
Representative Artur Davis (Democrat, Alabama) from 2003
Representative Denise Majette (Democrat, Georgia) from 2003
Representative Kendrick Meek (Democrat, Florida) from 2003


How about women?
The fourteen women currently serving in the Senate are: Barbara Boxer (D-CA); Maria Cantwell (D-WA); Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-NY); Susan Collins (R-ME); Elizabeth Dole (R-NC); Dianne Feinstein (D-CA); Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-TX); Mary Landrieu (D-LA); Blanche Lincoln (D-AR); Barbara Mikulski (D-MD); Lisa Murkowski (R-AK); Patty Murray (D-WA); Olympia Snowe (R-ME); and Debbie Stabenow (D-MI).

Sixty women from 26 states serve in the House of Representatives; 39 are Democrats and 21 are Republicans.
Ownage.
 

valve bouncer

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nicklin said:
Word.

i always found it funny how the Democratic Party, despite its liberal claims, has had less minority in the top posts. I would hope for a Demoratic Male African American Secretary of State first.......
Bwahahaha....bet you feel like an idiot now.....well more than usual anyway. :nuts: