Religion truly is the perfection of narcissism.
that's the first I noticed. Almost as cringe-inducing as wolf pimping for god, like he was trying to get her to say she's going to DisneylandShe was saying it like she was ashamed of it..
i don't think wolf could pull off going pentacostal...say it, say your blessed!!! now c$nt say it before god sucks the rest of this god forsaken **** hole dry.
oh wait, were still on the air?
tie for first.running for office is truly the perfection of narcissism.
It is Oklahoma. There are probably some social and family issues going to be caused by her saying it out loud. Hell, the pat Robertson types will blame her for the tornado.She was saying it like she was ashamed of it...
Oh yeah, like grocery store issues, Wal Mart issues, taking the kid to school issues.......she opened a whole can of worms saying that on air...........bless her heart.It is Oklahoma. There are probably some social and family issues going to be caused by her saying it out loud.
I still dont get this part of religion.That’s because Piper and many in the fundamentalist neo-Reformed movement are working off of a perversion of the doctrine of total depravity that not only teaches that human beings are depraved—that is, that our humanity is marred by sin
Thanks for posting that Stink……that was an awesome article.http://rachelheldevans.com/blog/abusive-theology-piper-mahaney
fcuk this Piper guy in the mouth w/ a chrome robot dick @ max gain
For seven years I was College Chaplain and Worcester College, Oxford. Each year I used to see the first year undergraduates individually for a few minutes, to welcome them to the college and make a first acquaintance. Most were happy to meet me; but many commented, often with slight embarrassment, “You won’t be seeing much of me; you see, I don’t believe in god.”
I developed stock response: “Oh, that’s interesting; which god is it you don’t believe in?” This used to surprise them; they mostly regarded the word “God” as a univocal, always meaning the same thing. So they would stumble out a few phrases about the god they said they did not believe in: a being who lived up the in the sky, looking down disapprovingly at the world, occasionally “intervening” to do miracles, sending bad people to hell while allowing good people to share his heaven. Again, I had a stock response for this very common statement of “spy-in-the-sky” theology: “Well, I’m not surprised you don’t believe in that god. I don’t believe in that god either.”
At this point the undergraduate would look startled. Then, perhaps, a faint look of recognition; it was sometimes rumored that half the college chaplains at Oxford were atheists. “No,” I would say; “I believe in the god I see revealed in Jesus of Nazareth.”
Another fine example of nitpicking the good parts, and leaving out the bad parts in scripture. Proving once again that you dont need God for morality, but that it comes from your own mind.For seven years I was College Chaplain and Worcester College, Oxford. Each year I used to see the first year undergraduates individually for a few minutes, to welcome them to the college and make a first acquaintance. Most were happy to meet me; but many commented, often with slight embarrassment, “You won’t be seeing much of me; you see, I don’t believe in god.”
I developed stock response: “Oh, that’s interesting; which god is it you don’t believe in?” This used to surprise them; they mostly regarded the word “God” as a univocal, always meaning the same thing. So they would stumble out a few phrases about the god they said they did not believe in: a being who lived up the in the sky, looking down disapprovingly at the world, occasionally “intervening” to do miracles, sending bad people to hell while allowing good people to share his heaven. Again, I had a stock response for this very common statement of “spy-in-the-sky” theology: “Well, I’m not surprised you don’t believe in that god. I don’t believe in that god either.”
At this point the undergraduate would look startled. Then, perhaps, a faint look of recognition; it was sometimes rumored that half the college chaplains at Oxford were atheists. “No,” I would say; “I believe in the god I see revealed in Jesus of Nazareth.”
so there's no absolute morality? is this not an absolute statement?Another fine example of nitpicking the good parts, and leaving out the bad parts in scripture. Proving once again that you dont need God for morality, but that it comes from your own mind.
Thanks for posting that Stink……that was an awesome article.
I couldn’t agree more with you except that robot dick needs to rape his cornhole for several years unlubricated before it rapes his mouth……..I’m thinking something along the lines of what Lisbeth did to Nils……
Anywho………reading articles like this and seeing what PR said about the tornado really make me wonder if I’m actually a Christian. I mean hordes of folks (idiots lets be honest) follow these retards like RP, and Piper and the like. If agreeing, or even slightly giving a nod to these F’ers is what identifies someone as a Christian, then count me out. I really like her line about “arrogant fool” regarding theologians who go through elaborate explanations of why bad things happen. My gut feeling is they spend so much time on those explanations because people get stuck on the "why bad things happen" question, and they need a neat tidy answer so they can "prove" God/Jesus/Bible, whatever other apologetic need there. Waste of time if you ask me........
This brought to mind a quote from one of my favorite theologians, N.T. Wright:
To jump on board with Kevin here, I don't think that you are what most Americans accociate with Christians at this point. Honestly, I would not be surprised if at some point in the future you slid towards the agnostic crowd. Believing in a god, but not through a singluar religious route.Another fine example of nitpicking the good parts, and leaving out the bad parts in scripture. Proving once again that you dont need God for morality, but that it comes from your own mind.
Andy, I think eventually you will come to the conclusion that youre a full fledged Atheist.
You just need to go one God further like the rest of us.
At least know what you are talking about before you try to take a sh!t on it.I still dont get this part of religion.
Jesus supposedly died on the cross for our sins. So how can we still be "marred by sin"?
An omnipotent God designs man with sin.
Then send his son to die for mans sin, which is his own faulty design in the first place.
Son dies for the rest of mankinds sin, asks for forgivenes and has to be forgiven according to Christian doctrine.
Et voila, man is still with original sin so he died for nothing..
Now, as if this isnt stupid enough... According to religious doctrine God and Jesus and the virgin Mary are one in the union of the holy trinity.
Judeo Christianity is a monotheology, so there can never be three Gods. Therefore Jesus is the same entity as God, and Mary (Taking this into account God ****ed himself to give birth to himself ).
So basically God comitted suicide to make up for his own mistake, forgave himself for it but later figured out the whole worship story wouldnt work unless people were born with original sin in the first place and made up his mind about forgiving himself and now man is still with original sin so he wouldnt have had to kill himself in the first place.
I dont find this particularly omnipotent.
Enlighten me then, in stead of taking said **** and leaving without a counter argument.At least know what you are talking about before you try to take a sh!t on it.
First, the statement doesnt claim there is no absolute morality, it just says it doesnt come from God because people pick out parts of scripture that are good and redeem the bad parts as "symbolic" or whatever.so there's no absolute morality? is this not an absolute statement?
if so, how can you begin to assert someone's morality (either based in their mind, or the god who resides in their mind) is somehow fallacious or unnecessary?
Makes you look stupid.According to religious doctrine God and Jesus and the virgin Mary are one in the union of the holy trinity
Maybe not quite correct, but it's not like the holy ghost, jesus, and god all being the same thing makes any more sense.I'm not arguing with you. Just telling you that saying stuff like,
Makes you look stupid.
perhaps you meant "deist"?Honestly, I would not be surprised if at some point in the future you slid towards the agnostic crowd. Believing in a god, but not through a singluar religious route.
is that a rule for you? if so, what's it made of? hope not gold....awkward...That's what happened to a lot of us, I think. After the third time I read the bible, I put it down and realized that I was far better off doing what was right by/for people, than following a hypocritical and hateful book.
no god, eh? then how would a non-knowing god know to market these products to me?Enlighten me then, in stead of taking said **** and leaving without a counter argument.
Religions such as which?Im assuming youre talking about the holy ghost and not Mary being in the trinity?
Hence why I said in "religious scripture" and not Christian scripture. There are religions where Mary is indeed considered part of the holy trinity.
Let's simply say that someone's "morality" might be impractical, deluded, or worse. We do not exist in a two state (good, bad) universe. One has to strike the most practical balance at any point in time based on the information available. Dogma impedes striking practical balance.so there's no absolute morality? is this not an absolute statement?
if so, how can you begin to assert someone's morality (either based in their mind, or the god who resides in their mind) is somehow fallacious or unnecessary?
culturally, it varies whether or not taking another wife/lover is "immoral" (openly or discretely).Let's simply say that someone's "morality" might be impractical, deluded, or worse. We do not exist in a two state (good, bad) universe. One has to strike the most practical balance at any point in time based on the information available. Dogma impedes striking practical balance.
Not the trinity, but I think he's thinking of Catholicism.Religions such as which?
I think Joseph was one of those guys that gets off on being cuckolded. And there's no better way than to have the Ghost Dick of God be the one that stuffs a bun in what was supposed to be your virgin oven.Couldnt God have picked a chick that was single for ****s sake?
If so, he's wrong in two ways:Not the trinity, but I think he's thinking of Catholicism.
That organized ring of pederasts loves to worship Mary.
True. He just raped an underage girl instead. Possibly roofied her too.If so, he's wrong in two ways:
1. Catholicism is a form of Christianity.
2. While Mary does hold a higher status, she is most certainly not part of the holy trinity.
There are plenty of valid criticisms of most organized religion. Seems silly to make up stuff just so you can say that God ****ed himself.
Ill admit I was picking and choosing a bit to make a point, but thats what everyone else seems to be doing in religion anyways.If so, he's wrong in two ways:
1. Catholicism is a form of Christianity.
2. While Mary does hold a higher status, she is most certainly not part of the holy trinity.
There are plenty of valid criticisms of most organized religion. Seems silly to make up stuff just so you can say that God ****ed himself.
Also, Catholics deem Mary "The mother of the Trinity". Therefore the mother of God, the mother of the holy Ghost and the mother of Jesus.And behold! Allah will say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, 'Take me and my mother for two gods beside Allah'?" He will say: "Glory to Thee! Never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, though I know not what in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden. [Qur'an 5:116]
And I have to add this because otherwise my message is too short and teh allmighty rm demi gods wont let me post it.Kevin-
I studied religion, specifically Catholicism, for three years in High-School and the holly trinity concept was discussed several times. No matter how many times it was explained, it never really made any sense to me. It, like most religions relies on "faith" for understanding. Basically you have to accept an idea as true when you know it to be rationally impossible if not absurd.
I think this is mostly because a lot of different stories have become tangled up when they put them all together in a single book (or two singe books), they couldnt talk their way out of all the contradictions and had to start making stuff up.
One of my religion teachers, a Norbertine Priest, once stood before the class, held up the Bible, and proclaimed it to be nothing more than a collection of stories written by man. There were some slack jaws in the classroom that day. What he was getting at was that the Bible should be used as a guide for how to treat your fellow man.
This is another thing that is a contradiction with modern Christians.
Morality in those days was an entirely different animal then morality today.
Slavery, genocide and human sacrifice, all of it usually based on tribalism, has no place in modern morality.
Thats why, as I have said before, you have to nitpick the good parts and throw away the bad parts of scripture to come to a guide to modern day morality
Which inevitably means morality comes not from scripture but from the human mind.
I say this again because most religious people believe morality can only come from scripture..
Unfortunately, a large percentage of Christians select what they want from the Bible and take it as the literal word of God. The critical flaw here is that the idea that man, a finite being, can claim to know the intent of an infinite being, let alone grasp the concept infinite. Even more practitioners of the faith solely rely on the interpretations of their teacher (priest, pastor, minister, etc.) without ever actually reading the book for themselves. And when you challenge them on this, they will become quite defensive, sometimes even violent. They do this because they are in doubt of their own beliefs. It's the conflict between rational thought and "faith".
People believe what they want to believe, and as you said will go all the way when challenged.
People are also sheepish and just believe what theyve been taught without questioning it and thats exactly why religion is so dangerous in the first place.
Dont flatter yourself...look at me; i'm rambling like kevin on bath salts in a promise keepers bathroom stall
Yeah that’s some crappy “logic” and terrible hermeneutics……………This is like when christian's claim a woman shouldn't have the right to choose because the bible says all life is precious, and I point out either suffering and dying that people encounter from lack of healthcare, or how in the bible god killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people, including babies in the womb. When confronted though, christian's say that these were before jesus saved everyone, so if you were conceived, you were automatically a bad person and should have been killed evidently. I refuse to believe that a human being merely existing is bad, but that's the logic of the bible. They further try to rationalize that this was god and not jesus...but if they are all "one", it makes no sense at all.