Silver said:
Dern tootin.
It ain't from the hook though.
That's an old picture btw.
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Dern tootin.
It ain't from the hook though.
That's an old picture btw.
I'm assuming you hit it doggystyle to visit the g-spot?Jesus_Christ said:
Heh....."visit".......as if there's a time constraint.
So much you don't know. Magdalene was a whore only until she met me and found out what the hooplah was all about.
So much you don't know. Magdalene was a whore only until she met me and found out what the hooplah was all about.
Changleen said:
joe camel!
You seem to have huge amounts of time to respond to my posts like this. Anyways lets get one thing straight. If you keep attacking me and calling God and myself a foolish liar every 5 seconds then i'm done with this. I rest you, I expect the same. You run your mouth, yet talk in circles youself. So far all that you have done is bad mouth God and myself but you cant seem to see that because your so egear to tear God apart through me, I can see it now. And that site that you keep quoting, i've been to it many times and it talks in circles like i've seen before. It may speak of modern day scientific things, but there's no Proof that it took "millions" of years and the idea of the evolution process to produce it all.Old Man G Funk said:
And by Kind It means what it means "kind" is a variation within the same group of things, like different kinds of dogs, cats, birds and anything else. A Boxxer is a kind of fork.. but overall it's still a fork
As far as evidence for the flood, it's all over. As the description goes, God broke open the fountains of the deep, creating the fault lines you can see on google earth. And the canopy of water that was held up by the earths magnetic field was broke open to cause the harsh rain for 40 days. God even gives the exact messurement to how high the water was above the tallest mountain, 15 cubits (your elbow to your fingertip) Thats also why the dragons, serpents or (dinosaurs 1841) if you will died off because the atmosphere was very weakend and was not as supportive as the pre flood world.
And last thing, again I dont deny science itself in the right definition or it's process, I deny that evolution brought it all here under lawless conditions. And by that I mean the laws of the universe gravity inertia and so fourth. 2nd law of thermodynamics: ALL matter can not create or destroy itself... cool so WHO made all this matter we now see and can understand?
who ever said, "Man goes to Great lengths to deny his maker" sure said it well. these debates prove it.
Sorry, I'm still not clear where enough water to flood the entire planet came from, or where it went. All the water in the atmosphere (which isn't 'held up my earth's magnetic field btw) plus all the frozen water is still nothing like enough to do the job. Not even close. You said we can't create or destroy matter, so where did it come from?Team SpeeDH said:
Changleen said:
On the 9th day gods bladder was rather full..........
The preferred nomenclature is "Jesus Horses"Team SpeeDH said:
I should let you know I've changed my mind on something rather major due to you: I'm totally in favor of school vouchers now. If stupid people want to have stupid children, who am I to stand in the way? I used to think that segregating the Jesus freaks was a bad idea. Not anymore...
Silver said:
I was thinking more along the lines of building a colosseum getting some cats.
Don't flatter yourself. Your posts contain mostly old, refuted Creationist cannards. It takes me little time to cut and paste the relevant pages that refute you.Team SpeeDH said:
Where have I attacked god? I challenge you to find one place where I have attacked god. And, I have called your arguments lies because that is what they are. You have also represented yourself as someone who has taken classes on evolution, so you should know evolution better than you do. You either lied when you said you knew all about evolution, or you are misrepresenting what it is. Is there another alternative?
You will get my respect as soon as you start purporting yourself in a way that merits it. So far that has not been the case. Your shattershot tactics, misrepresentations, etc. are unbecoming of anyone. If you want to actually debate with actual evidence and stuff, then let's get to it.
By the way, I have asked numerous questions and you have failed to answer most of them if not all of them. Instead you just make more and more assertions that go unsupported. That is also not how debate works.
Once again, I challenge you to find where I have bad mouthed god.
Perhaps you missed the fact that they back up their arguments with the peer-reviewed scientific literature?
Also, if you have a problem with the age of the Earth, you have lots of 'splaining to do. How do we receive light from stars that are billions of light years away? How can we drill down into the ice cores and accurately measure climate from millions of years ago? How is it that we can use radiometric dating methods on fossilized remains to determine the age of fossils, and we find them to be as old as they are (millions and billions of years old)?
So, are all birds the same kind? What about bacteria? What about plants?
And, your supporting evidence is? See, it's not enough to say that there's evidence everywhere. You actually have to point some out. And, quoting Biblical passages doesn't count, nor does a description of how you think it happened. In the scientific method, the description of how you think it happened is the hypothesis. It does not also serve as evidence.
Add to that Chang's comments, as well as a question as to where all the plants went. Also add that the global flood is not consistent with geological features such as the Grand Canyon or the geological column and you've got quite a problem.
Yes, you do deny science. By pushing a global flood you are denying geology, plate tectonics, physics, climatology, etc.
Evolution has nothing to do with the Big Bang. If you wish to assert that god created all the matter and energy that became our universe after the big bang, go ahead. If you want to assert that god created all the physical laws of the universe, go ahead. Neither of those positions can be refuted by science, and no one is trying to refute those. It is logically suspect to assume that all matter and energy was "created" at the moment of the Big Bang, but that's for you to theologically decide if you so choose. But, know that your acceptance or rejection of god creating the matter and energy of the universe has no bearing whatsoever on the theory of evolution.
On the contrary. I don't have to deny god at all. Science works outside of the realm of religion and is disinterested in accepting or denying god. What my or your personal feelings are on the existence of god is quite literally irrelevant. Once again I find myself explaining science to you. Science is the study of the natural world. Science uses what is called the "scientific method" to this end. The scientific method comprises many steps and goes something like this:
Observe, hypothesize, test, consider, re-hypothesize (if necessary), re-test and verify, conclude. God/religion is outside of the scope of science, as science seeks only to investigate the natural world, and god/religion are supernatural in nature. Thus, god is outside of the realm of science. Science can neither prove nor disprove god.
Evolution is the biological theory for how the variations we see in different life forms here on Earth came about through mutations and selection from a common ancestor. Evolution does not concern itself with god, and is disinterested in proving or disproving god. Really, you should know this stuff if you are as knowledgable as you say.
Ha ha freakin Ha ha.Team SpeeDH said:
I was always the dutiful son and went to church every sunday with my parents. I went to a pretty liberal Presbyterian church and never had much complaint about it. One week in Sunday school, I was probably in high school by then, we had this guy come in and start teaching us about Revelations, doom, gloom, 7 horsemen of the apocalypse and all that crap. I thought it was pretty comical so I went along with it for awhile. Somehow we got off on a tangent and started talking about all this flood mumbo jumbo. I laughed in the Sunday school teachers face and got up and walked out. I really haven't been back to church since besides the occasional Easter / Christmas gambit to make my parents happy.
I said it to him and I'll say it to you... I think you are f'n nuts and there is no use even arguing about it because I will always think you are nuts.
Thought you'd like this, from China's Xinhua:
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2006-08/12/content_4953584.htm
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2006-08/12/content_4953584.htm
Yeah, I saw that study.Changleen said:
Did you catch what one of the big wigs at the DI said about it? He explained it by saying that America has more freedom than those other countries to question the reigning paradigm. So, I wonder how that works for Turkey.
The sad fact is that there is a lot of ignorance out there, and there's a lot of people willing to exploit it for personal and/or political gain that are more than willing to perpetuate that ignorance.
Nice avatar, seems to be quite popularSilver said:
http://www.viperalley.com/forum/anything-goes/46987-umm-errrr.html
"Jesus freak" come on now
Anyways dont give yourself too much credit there. My point was to answer the claim that dinosaurs are not mentioned in scripture. The word "dinosaur" didnt come around until 1841, long after the bible was completed. "Dinosaurs" are reffered to as dragons, serpents or as in Job 40:15-24 "Behemoth". Their mentioned many times throughout it's pages, especially in Daniel.
Thanks.Team SpeeDH said:
So God, who has control over everything, can't bother to have his translators put the word "Dinosaur" in the Bible? God's not too good about the details, is he?
Anyways, now seems like a great time to link to some Bill Hicks:
He control's, but people can still make their own choices. Someone can go jump off a roof but does it do them any good? Anyways i'm sure one of the revised versions has the word "dinosaur" used in place of the origional language used in older ones.Silver said:
As far as details go.. He's more then got that covered.
Oh... about my first comment above, the reason He controls but we can still do what we choose is because this earth/life is on a "Lease".
Just like a leased car, you do what you want while you have it. After, you return it and it's inspected (judged) and you pay for anything broken on it. Well He's the dealership and were the car With damage.. when inspection comes, Christ acts as the insurance company that takes that payment of the damage in your place. So it skips over the person even though it would have been there otherwise without Him.
So which is it? Is God in control, or do people get to make their own choices?Team SpeeDH said:
This isn't really the place where you want to make a glib one line philosophical assertion, btw...
Just to make sure I understand, Christ insures us against an angry God for all the carp we have funked up in our lives?Team SpeeDH said:
So, Team SpeeDH, can I take it that you've abandoned trying to debate anything and have instead decided to proselytize?
If you wish to assert that dinosaurs lived with man, you will have many things to explain. Couple that with the assertion of a Noachian flood and there's ever more to explain.
1. Dinosaur fossils - how does that work? Why do we date them to be millions of years old?
2. Why do we not find dinosaur and human fossils side by side? In fact, there is a 64 million year gap between all dinosaur fossils and the first homonim fossils.
3. How did they fit on the ark?
4. How did they die off? I know you said something about it in a previous comment, but I'd like to see what scientific evidence you have for your assertion that the atmosphere changed. Also, I'd like to know why it did not similarly affect other organisms.
Additionally, have you given up on my challenge to find one place where I attacked god? I'm still waiting, or was that just another assertion that will go unsupported? You're not doing very well over here.
If you wish to assert that dinosaurs lived with man, you will have many things to explain. Couple that with the assertion of a Noachian flood and there's ever more to explain.
1. Dinosaur fossils - how does that work? Why do we date them to be millions of years old?
2. Why do we not find dinosaur and human fossils side by side? In fact, there is a 64 million year gap between all dinosaur fossils and the first homonim fossils.
3. How did they fit on the ark?
4. How did they die off? I know you said something about it in a previous comment, but I'd like to see what scientific evidence you have for your assertion that the atmosphere changed. Also, I'd like to know why it did not similarly affect other organisms.
Additionally, have you given up on my challenge to find one place where I attacked god? I'm still waiting, or was that just another assertion that will go unsupported? You're not doing very well over here.
My understanding of the Book of Daniel is that it is a book of prophecy, dreams and visions. Most biblical scholars do not believe it is to be taken literally.Team SpeeDH said:
The flood myth comes from earlier sources as well. Abraham was born in Ur (according to the Bible) where the Sumerian religious tradition was prominent. That would include their flood mythology.
Anyway, Team SpeeDH, have you given up or are you just looking for evidence of something....anything?
Anyway, Team SpeeDH, have you given up or are you just looking for evidence of something....anything?
Hey everyone, no lol i have not "given up" in the least. I've been busy with the team, then my internet had to be fixed. And now with the sudden death of a friend I will be out again. I will see if I get some time to respond to everything on here. As far as being a "myth" please, do you know almost every culture from Hawaiins to Japanese and Chinese have some kind of flood story that comes out around the same dates as the biblical one with Noah. Also that is where the big divide comes in... What evolutinist try to say that took "millions of years" happend in that flood. The atmosphere was completely torn up from what it was, the earth was spit open in sections ( now falt lines) called in the bible "fountains of the deep". People dont realize the level of violence that flood wrenched on the earth, it wasnt just a few "hard rains". Thats why all over their finding more and more "dinosaur and human remains together. One example is in Glyn rose texas in a river bed, both dinosaur and human foot tracks were found imbeded in the same path under the lime stone. And going back to the destroyed atmospheric condition after the flood is why you dont see dinosaurs today... it simply cant support an animal that large anymore. Your know the whole gold fish in a bowl thing... their size is limited to their enviorment. Take the gold fiish out and they grow much larger. We had one in our home pond that was a good 5 or 6 inches long.
Anyways I have to go for now
Even at the loss of my friend and others God IS Good.... always
Chris
Team SpeeDH
Wow, that is the absolute biggest load of crap I have ever heard. So you are telling me you can't "believe" evolution due to lack of proof, but you will believe that drivel that has absolutely ZERO basis in factual data (or sceince fiction for that matter)?
You personally disagreeing with me is proof then? See were both looking at the same evidences, it comes down to what the point is. Evolution has to be believed because it has never been seen before. It's based on idea's and speculation from current exsisting material. Where as a creationist would say that God made it, and it has a purpose, like humans. Were more then sludge that washed up on a beach millions of years ago. If you see a watch thats evidence of a watch MAKER, if you see a frame thats evidence of a frame BUILDER, if you see a creation (universe/earth) thats evidence of a CREATOR. But that chapps peoples rear "we wanna do what we wanna do and answer to know one" is what it seems comes down to many times.
I'm just glad he gave us a second chance with his son Christ.
If someone stole your brand new 5K ride you just built, would you give them a second chance? Especially if they claimed "ohh you didnt build the bike like you said, it was just here so I decided to take it" Ignorant of him to say or claim right? Because he was not there when you built it, but fact is you did so. Well thats pretty much the same thing were saying to the makers face today, so how long would you tolorate that?
Give credit where credit is do is what i'm saying.
So you personally disagreeing with me is proof then? See were both looking at the same evidences, it comes down to what the point is. Evolution has to be believed because it has never been seen before. It's based on idea's and speculation from current exsisting material. Where as a creationist would say that God made it, and it has a purpose, like humans. Were more then sludge that washed up on a beach millions of years ago. If you see a watch thats evidence of a watch MAKER, if you see a frame thats evidence of a frame BUILDER, if you see a creation (universe/earth) thats evidence of a CREATOR. But that chapps peoples rear "we wanna do what we wanna do and answer to know one" is what it seems comes down to many times.
I'm just glad he gave us a second chance with his son Christ.
If someone stole your brand new 5K ride you just built, would you give them a second chance? Especially if they claimed "ohh you didnt build the bike like you said, it was just here so I decided to take it" Ignorant of him to say or claim right? Because he was not there when you built it, but fact is you did so. Well thats pretty much the same thing were saying to the makers face today, so how long would you tolorate that?
Give credit where credit is do is what i'm saying.
Ok, so who created God?
Jesus must be spinning in his grave right now...
Jesus must be spinning in his grave right now...
I'm sorry to hear about the death of your friend. My sincere condolences.
No, the Sumerian flood myth predates the Noachian flood. The Sumerian flood myth was well known before Abraham left Ur.
Also, a not on flood myths.
Sorry, but your vapor canopy idea is bunk. Try again.
Incorrect. There are no cases of dinosaur footprints found with human footprints.
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC101.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/paluxy/wilfig1.html
Whales?
No one has ever seen gravity waves. No one has ever actually seen an electron. No one has ever seen any subatomic particles. No one has ever actually seen a thought. I guess none of those things exists?
BTW, no one has ever actually seen god either.
Of course, if you actually looked at the links I provide you with, you would note that this assertion has already been dealt with. Things that happen leave behind traces that CAN be observed. That is how we know about electrons, etc. and it is how we know about evolution.
Also, the watch-maker argument is not a good argument to make, considering Paley's argument was supplanted by evolution. All the examples you cite, watches, frames, etc. are objects that are known to be built by humans. So, when we see an object like that, it is fair to infer that a human built it, since we have first hand knowledge of such things. It is illogical to make the jump to biological organisms and an unknown creator that may or may not exist.
Second chance? This is straight theology and I don't really want to go into it, but upon close inspection of the scriptures one will note that humans were set up to fail. We never got a first chance.
I already see where your going with these "you cant see the wind" examples. God has pr-oven Himself more then enough times, once again it comes down to people's personal unbelief. If God really didn't exist then it should have been a settled argument years ago or better yet it would never have been an argument in the first place since it would be an absolute reality.
Then again how do you prove the non existence of something?
So says YOU...
Exodus 33: 21-23: Then the LORD said, "There is a place near me where you may stand on a rock. 22 When my glory passes by, I will put you in a cleft in the rock and cover you with my hand until I have passed by. 23 Then I will remove my hand and you will see my back; but my face must not be seen."
John 14:9
Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'?
Besides those 2 passages what about the many books of after human death experiences and how all of them are either heaven or hellish like? I remember seeing one book that hundreds of separate accounts of them from different people, Including a friend of mine that ended up in a hospital and had one of angels visiting her to say that God loved her and it was not her time to see Him yet but to finish taking care of her family.
Anyways yes I agree to a point that things leave behind traces to be observed. What I'm saying is evolution didn't make those traces, the creator did like He said. Speaking of that where did all the knowledge suddenly come from to make and keep all those electrons in good order anyways?
Right.. meaning they never would have existed unless something (humans) made it because is raw physical material that cant put itself together just like any other currently existing matter with out order behind it. The universe is no different Something has to be there to make just like the frame, it doesn't make itself.. and THIS is where the denial comes in. I think in most part people deny Him because of the guidelines He set that come with it... you know "Thou shall NOT"and all the rest. In other words it interferes with their sinful life styles, so they eagerly look for any way to deny He exists and evolution is about as far as you can get for that.
Psalm 14:1
The fool says in his heart, "There is no God." They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good.
Oh we got a big first chance alright. Everything was made perfect and 100% free and provided. They made their own choice because they were already told. If I told you don't steal my bike, but you go and do it anyway... well there's a consequence for that, just like for them. They were given perfect opportunity and failed. So He gave the law to let them know how to stay out of trouble. Then went a step further and allowed His own son to be killed in peoples place to reconnect what was lost by disobedience, as a free gift. And gave the church as a guide until He returns. If people still refuse to listen then hey He gave everything He had and then some.
Hotdamn, the insanity continues. Susan Powter would be ashamed.
Let's recap:
- Creationism vs. Evolution
- Carbon dating is crap because He makes the results say what people want
- There really was a really big flood....but all the water went away...into the earth....
- After death experiences are chronicled?? I feel the Grudge 3 coming on.... I think you mean near death stories, brought back from the light and all that. I've hit my head pretty hard before, I've seen stars. I guess this was God saying to me that it wasn't my time yet. I should've listened for the choir.
- I now understand religious extremism a bit better, thank you.
- Creationism vs. Evolution
- Carbon dating is crap because He makes the results say what people want
- There really was a really big flood....but all the water went away...into the earth....
- After death experiences are chronicled?? I feel the Grudge 3 coming on.... I think you mean near death stories, brought back from the light and all that. I've hit my head pretty hard before, I've seen stars. I guess this was God saying to me that it wasn't my time yet. I should've listened for the choir.
- I now understand religious extremism a bit better, thank you.
Between managing my Team and other things I have been very busy. And I respond when time permits.
It's a debate, but an important one so thats why I keep it going. Give credit where it's due. If were going to ride our bikes on His earth I figured we should at least thank Him for making all the stuff people build their jumps/transitions/bike parks and skate parks on.
And for me:
"If someone asks of you why you believe in Me, be able to give them an account on why you do"
So I do.
Now that's a good-time recap right there. So if the water went into ther earth, should I be worried about drowning if i step on a crack? I mean, I don't swim so good...
Remember folks: Scientific fact (which can be proven and reproduced) is not to be believed. Gibberish about an omnipotent being should be, as it was in a work of science fiction from 2000 years ago which has been translated a few hundred times.
Clearly, not all religious folks all this gullible, just the ones desperately clinging to something to make their lives worthwhile.
I especially love when Christians slag on Scientologists for being "nuts".
Oh nice... first you Church of Global Warming zealots chase off AndyMan1970 and now you try to do the same to DH'er....
How 'accepting' of you, you liberal hypocrites.
How 'accepting' of you, you liberal hypocrites.
moreover:
there seems to be an attempt to engage debate with a highly flawed premise: that what is held as absolute authority within is equally recognized throughout.
that is, speedh says "look at my god", while omgf says "look at (his) stuff"
without having read the first few hundred posts here, lemme weigh in w/ what troubles me w/ my ilk: there is acknowledgement of natural selection where it can be observed or explained, but where it cannot (because of our temporary intellectual progress) it is attributed to just god. but, why cannot god be both attributed and explained, without dismissing the god-given gifts of secular/humanist/satan-worshipping scientists by theological fiat?
if evidence is demonstrable, accept it; lean into it. just because it is at odds with your belief system (which by very definition never fully matures), be willing to live with an unresolved explanation for what may very well be a long time.
shall we now demand ridicule be heaped upon us?