[Electric_City]

http://www.bicycleretailer.com/new-products/2014/03/06/wtb-offers-new-saddle-inspired-full-suspension-650b-bikes

My ass was killing me on my 26" wheeled saddle. And the 29'er? Forget it! Way too big for me. Thanks WTB! You saved my ass again! EC

 

[supercow]

Old news is old

 

[kidwoo]

That's how badly the bike industry wants to sell you 650b bikes.

It's actually a legit approach for WTB. It's pivot who deserves the ire on this one IMO.

Because you know.....just making a dh bike with the geo you want with 26" wheels just isn't an option any more.

650b wheels are just SOOOOOOO much better in every way, we'll just go ahead and let it ram into the seatpost. Something that was already a problem with 8" travel bikes with small frames and 26. We'll just let your ass hang off in order to sell them to you.

 

[Nick]

It's pivot who deserves the ire on this one IMO.
Because you know.....just making a dh bike with the geo you want with 26" wheels just isn't an option any more.

that said, the new Phoenix is so worthy.
my LBS has an unsold mach6 on the wall. I've been daydreaming about building it with my 36 fork and old wheels to achieve what you're doing with that Norco.

 

[jonKranked]

where can i get 650b specific bar end plugs?

 

[StiHacka]

where can i get 650b specific bar end plugs?

Please tell me when you find out. I keep losing mine when bumping into trees with my new 800mm bars.

 

[jonKranked]

Please tell me when you find out. I keep losing mine when bumping into trees with my new 800mm bars.

are you sure they're the 650b bars and not the 29'er bars?

 

[kidwoo]

that said, the new Phoenix is so worthy.
my LBS has an unsold mach6 on the wall. I've been daydreaming about building it with my 36 fork and old wheels to achieve what you're doing with that Norco.

No bike is drool worthy until your ride it.

Those mach 6s were on my short list. I got to pedal one around a little bit. Kind of a weird fit. But seriously, fvck companies making only dh bikes that want to take 2.5lbs of tire, and a lb and half of rim and move it farther from the axle. There just ain't no sense in that. I don't care how light the rest of everything else is. Dh bikes are already unwieldy enough when things get tight and slow.

AAGGRRGGHHH! ATTACK!!!

 

[Sandwich]

if it makes you feel better, it doesn't show up on WTB's list of new 2015 products. Doesn't show up in their saddle section I'm guessing they axed it.

http://www.wtb.com/pages/2015-new-product-preview

 

[Bikael Molton]

we'll just go ahead and let it ram into the seatpost.

In other words, they rushed R&D. I wonder what other mistakes they made with the design and/or manufacturing?

 

[Nick]

No bike is drool worthy until your ride it.

Those mach 6s were on my short list. I got to pedal one around a little bit. Kind of a weird fit. But seriously, fvck companies making only dh bikes that want to take 2.5lbs of tire, and a lb and half of rim and move it farther from the axle. There just ain't no sense in that. I don't care how light the rest of everything else is. Dh bikes are already unwieldy enough when things get tight and slow.

AAGGRRGGHHH! ATTACK!!!

I don't know about that ... I got a couple laps on the current aluminum Phoenix and loved it. I also love my DHR. If it rode as well and dropped, what, 3 POUNDS with a proper coil shock? I'll call that "on-paper" drool worthy.

Pivot fit is weird. Like most frames I'm pretty much in between M and L. After pedaling a M I can't see it.

 

[StiHacka]

are you sure they're the 650b bars and not the 29'er bars?

I am not quite sure about that but I am 100% positive that they are Enduro.

 

[kidwoo]

I don't know about that ... I got a couple laps on the current aluminum Phoenix and loved it.

Hmmm.....there's just something different about that alloy frame compared to the new one. Can't quite put my finger on it. I do notice it doesn't require a cutout seat. Wonder why that is.......

 

[kidwoo]

In other words, they rushed R&D. I wonder what other mistakes they made with the design and/or manufacturing?

Pivot does some weird things but their construction, geo (and for the most part) their suspension curves are pretty damn good. I doubt the new bike actually puts the tire into the seatpost but if it's close enough that they had to get a custom saddle built just to put a reasonable chainstay on a 650b wheel........ That just shows how badly this 650b is being forced......especially on dh bikes.

 

[HAB]

I have a 650b stem on my 26" Enduro bike. Is it going to explode?

http://www.syntaceusa.com/index.cfm?pid=3&pk=2629

 

[Nick]

Hmmm.....there's just something different about that alloy frame compared to the new one. Can't quite put my finger on it. I do notice it doesn't require a cutout seat. Wonder why that is.......

Oh, yea .... "that".

Duh.

 

[Bikael Molton]

'member when Intense had some seat tube smashin going on? that was cool.
They should have designed a special Intense FRO tire that had a divot.


#fro

 

[kidwoo]

'member when Intense had some seat tube smashin going on? that was cool.
They should have designed a special Intense FRO tire that had a divot.


#fro

You just can't handle what the pros ride. They were designed that way.

I realize my mistake here with my intention to give the consumer a DH exactly like our top WC racers run ( Matti, Chris etc.) a true FRO (for race only)and not some deluted down model but see now that this is not for everyone and was a bad idea. Intense has always pushed the geometry envelope starting way back with Palmer. Just because it works for Chris or Matti doesn't mean it will work for everyone. One guy posted a comparison to a BMW but my intention with the M6 was more like athe BMW m3 GTR and yes the tolerances are tight and at times on the track it will throw sparks and burn rubber and most of us would never get it out of the pits with the 6" clutch & flywheel. Yes most of us would love a GTR but what we really need is a sport coupe.

http://www.ridemonkey.com/threads/warning-to-future-intense-m6-owners.199859/page-4#post-2888152



Incidently, if you ever see a 650b ibis mojo, take a look at the back of the seat tube

 

[kidwoo]

Oh, yea .... "that".

Duh.

Also, that frame is not 3lbs lighter than your dhr.

http://www.sicklines.com/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/16661

It might be two, but it's not 3.

Just know this: when you see stupid light builds like that..........it's not the frame that drops 8lbs. Put all that stuff on your current frame and you'd have a 35lb dh bike. One that's just as completely fucking useless riding dh on as that pivot is.

 

[Nick]

math is hard, I think I'll be a striper.
I think my frame/shock is about 10 lbs. Pivot claims 8 with a coil shock. Two, indeed.

you've seen my bike. I'm not about impractical parts. But, I sit at around 40 pounds and I would like to shed a few lbs. if I could.

Maybe I can score a deal on now discontinued 26" carbon rims or something.

 

[kidwoo]

Meh. My bike weighs 40lbs too.

I just got back from a 3 week roadtrip that included 5 days bell to bell at whistler, and pounding the shlt out of it everywhere in between.








I lubed the chain a few times.

 

[Sandwich]

Incidently, if you ever see a 650b ibis mojo, take a look at the back of the seat tube

pfft my buddy's OG 26" mojo does that too, even with a volume reducer.

 

[ianjenn]

Also, that frame is not 3lbs lighter than your dhr.

http://www.sicklines.com/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/16661

It might be two, but it's not 3.

Just know this: when you see stupid light builds like that..........it's not the frame that drops 8lbs. Put all that stuff on your current frame and you'd have a 35lb dh bike. One that's just as completely fucking useless riding dh on as that pivot is.

HAHAHAHAHA

 

[Bikael Molton]

pfft my buddy's OG 26" mojo does that too, even with a volume reducer.

Nice, let's keep this list of poorly-designed frames going...