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I saw that broadcast today. I am mad about what I am hearing and angry about the peaceful resolve that the UN maintains.
I have to stop watching propaganda, seriously.
I have to stop watching propaganda, seriously.
Enough said.
I don't know what else needs to be said. Powell showed clear and present evidence that Hussein has a desire to proliferate his Chemical and Biological weapons program and to begin in earnest a Nuclear weapons program. He showed clear connections between Hussein, Al-queda and other terroist groups.
Re: Fluffs post from the Mirror. The cowardice now is shown on the faces of France, Russia and others who in the face of such irrefutible evidence as the communication intercepts will still call for "waiting for inspections".
Re: Fluffs post from the Mirror. The cowardice now is shown on the faces of France, Russia and others who in the face of such irrefutible evidence as the communication intercepts will still call for "waiting for inspections".
As one of my buddies said,
"They may not be able to show us a smoking gun, but there are a hell of a lot of dead bodies lying around."
"They may not be able to show us a smoking gun, but there are a hell of a lot of dead bodies lying around."
Don't worry all you whiney wussy countries... the USA will go in and clean up the mess so you don't have to get your little hands dirty. That way you and your whiney-assed governments can continue to live in your pacifist La-La Land compliments of the good ol' US military as you have always done.
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And We'll take the oil too.Originally posted by N8
Don't worry all you whiney wussy countries... the USA will go in and clean up the mess so you don't have to get your little hands dirty. That way you and your whiney-assed governments can continue to live in your pacifist La-La Land compliments of the good ol' US military as you have always done.
No matter what your views on President Bush's statement of upcoming war,
this, from an English journalist, is very interesting. For those of you not
familiar with the UK's Daily Mirror, this is a notoriously left-wing daily
that is normally not supportive of the Colonials across the Atlantic.
ONE year ago, the world witnessed a unique kind of broadcasting --
the mass murder of thousands, live on television. As a lesson in the pitiless
cruelty of the human race, September 11 was up there, with Pol Pot's
mountain of skulls in Cambodia, or the skeletal bodies stacked like
garbage in the Nazi concentration camps. An unspeakable act so cruel, so
calculated and so utterly merciless that surely the world could agree on one thing -
nobody deserves this fate. Surely there could be consensus: the victims
were truly innocent, the perpetrators truly evil.
But to the world's eternal shame, 9/11 is increasingly seen as America's
comeuppance. Incredibly, anti-Americanism has increased over the last
year.
There has always been a simmering resentment to the USA in this
country - too loud, too rich, too full of themselves and so much happier than
Europeans - but it has become an epidemic. And it seems incredible to me.
More than that, it turns my stomach.
America is this country's greatest friend and our staunchest ally. We are
bonded to the US by culture, language and blood. A little over half a
century ago, around half a million Americans died for our freedoms, as
well as their own. Have we forgotten so soon? And exactly a year ago,
thousands of ordinary men, women and children - not just Americans,
but from dozens of countries - were butchered by a small group of religious
fanatics.
Are we so quick to betray them?
What touched the heart about those who died in the twin towers and on the
planes was that we recognized them. Young fathers and mothers, somebody's
son and somebody's daughter, husbands and wives, and children, some unborn.
And these people brought it on themselves? And their nation is to blame
for their meticulously planned slaughter?
These days you don't have to be some dust-encrusted nut job in Kabul or
Karachi or Finsbury Park to see America as the Great Satan. The
anti-American alliance is made up of self-loathing liberals who blame the
Americans for every ill in the Third World, and conservatives suffering
from power-envy, bitter that the world's only superpower can do what it likes
without having to ask permission.
The truth is that America has behaved with enormous restraint since
September 11.
Remember, remember.
Remember the gut-wrenching tapes of weeping men phoning their wives to
say, "I love you," before they were burned alive.
Remember those people leaping to their deaths from the top of burning
skyscrapers.
Remember the hundreds of firemen buried alive.
Remember the smiling face of that beautiful little girl who was on one of
the planes with her mum.
Remember, remember - and realize that America has never retaliated for
9/11 in anything like the way it could have.
So a few al-Qaeda tourists got locked without a trial in Camp X-ray?
Pass the Kleenex...
So some Afghan wedding receptions were shot up after they merrily fired
their semi-automatics in a sky full of American planes? A shame, but
maybe next time they should stick to confetti.
AMERICA could have turned a large chunk of the world into a parking lot.
That it didn't is a sign of strength. American voices are already being
raised against attacking Iraq - that's what a democracy is for. How many
in the Islamic world will have a minute's silence for the slaughtered
innocents of 9/11? How many Islamic leaders will have the guts to say that the mass
murder of 9/11 was an abomination?
When the news of 9/11 broke on the West Bank, those freedom-loving
Palestinians were dancing in the street. America watched all of that -
and didn't push the button. We should thank the stars that America is the
most powerful nation in the world. I still find it incredible that 9/11 did
not provoke all-out war. Not a "war on terrorism." A real war.
The fundamentalist dudes are talking about "opening the gates of hell," if
America attacks Iraq. Well, America could have opened the gates of hell
like you wouldn't believe.
The US is the most militarily powerful nation that ever strode the face of
the earth. The campaign in Afghanistan may have been less than perfect
and the planned war on Iraq may be misconceived.
But don't blame America for not bringing peace and light to these wretched
countries. How many democracies are there in the Middle East, or in the
Muslim world? You can count them on the fingers of one hand -assuming you
haven't had any chopped off for minor shoplifting.
I love America, yet America is hated. I guess that makes me Bush's poodle.
But I would rather be a dog in New York City than a Prince in Riyadh.
Above all, America is hated because it is what every country wants to be - rich,
free, strong, open, optimistic. Not ground down by the past, or religion,
or some caste system. America is the best friend this country ever had
and we should start remembering that.
Or do you really think the USA is the root of all evil? Tell it to the
loved ones of the men and women who leaped to their death from the burning
towers. Tell it to the nursing mothers whose husbands died on one of the
hijacked planes, or were ripped apart in a collapsing skyscraper. And
tell it to the hundreds of young widows whose husbands worked for the New York
Fire Department.
To our shame, George Bush gets a worse press than Saddam Hussein. Once we
were told that Saddam gassed the Kurds, tortured his own people and set up
rape-camps in Kuwait. Now we are told he likes Quality Street.
Save me the orange center, oh mighty one!
Remember, remember, September 11.
One of the greatest atrocities in human history was committed against
America.
No, do more than remember. Never forget.
this, from an English journalist, is very interesting. For those of you not
familiar with the UK's Daily Mirror, this is a notoriously left-wing daily
that is normally not supportive of the Colonials across the Atlantic.
ONE year ago, the world witnessed a unique kind of broadcasting --
the mass murder of thousands, live on television. As a lesson in the pitiless
cruelty of the human race, September 11 was up there, with Pol Pot's
mountain of skulls in Cambodia, or the skeletal bodies stacked like
garbage in the Nazi concentration camps. An unspeakable act so cruel, so
calculated and so utterly merciless that surely the world could agree on one thing -
nobody deserves this fate. Surely there could be consensus: the victims
were truly innocent, the perpetrators truly evil.
But to the world's eternal shame, 9/11 is increasingly seen as America's
comeuppance. Incredibly, anti-Americanism has increased over the last
year.
There has always been a simmering resentment to the USA in this
country - too loud, too rich, too full of themselves and so much happier than
Europeans - but it has become an epidemic. And it seems incredible to me.
More than that, it turns my stomach.
America is this country's greatest friend and our staunchest ally. We are
bonded to the US by culture, language and blood. A little over half a
century ago, around half a million Americans died for our freedoms, as
well as their own. Have we forgotten so soon? And exactly a year ago,
thousands of ordinary men, women and children - not just Americans,
but from dozens of countries - were butchered by a small group of religious
fanatics.
Are we so quick to betray them?
What touched the heart about those who died in the twin towers and on the
planes was that we recognized them. Young fathers and mothers, somebody's
son and somebody's daughter, husbands and wives, and children, some unborn.
And these people brought it on themselves? And their nation is to blame
for their meticulously planned slaughter?
These days you don't have to be some dust-encrusted nut job in Kabul or
Karachi or Finsbury Park to see America as the Great Satan. The
anti-American alliance is made up of self-loathing liberals who blame the
Americans for every ill in the Third World, and conservatives suffering
from power-envy, bitter that the world's only superpower can do what it likes
without having to ask permission.
The truth is that America has behaved with enormous restraint since
September 11.
Remember, remember.
Remember the gut-wrenching tapes of weeping men phoning their wives to
say, "I love you," before they were burned alive.
Remember those people leaping to their deaths from the top of burning
skyscrapers.
Remember the hundreds of firemen buried alive.
Remember the smiling face of that beautiful little girl who was on one of
the planes with her mum.
Remember, remember - and realize that America has never retaliated for
9/11 in anything like the way it could have.
So a few al-Qaeda tourists got locked without a trial in Camp X-ray?
Pass the Kleenex...
So some Afghan wedding receptions were shot up after they merrily fired
their semi-automatics in a sky full of American planes? A shame, but
maybe next time they should stick to confetti.
AMERICA could have turned a large chunk of the world into a parking lot.
That it didn't is a sign of strength. American voices are already being
raised against attacking Iraq - that's what a democracy is for. How many
in the Islamic world will have a minute's silence for the slaughtered
innocents of 9/11? How many Islamic leaders will have the guts to say that the mass
murder of 9/11 was an abomination?
When the news of 9/11 broke on the West Bank, those freedom-loving
Palestinians were dancing in the street. America watched all of that -
and didn't push the button. We should thank the stars that America is the
most powerful nation in the world. I still find it incredible that 9/11 did
not provoke all-out war. Not a "war on terrorism." A real war.
The fundamentalist dudes are talking about "opening the gates of hell," if
America attacks Iraq. Well, America could have opened the gates of hell
like you wouldn't believe.
The US is the most militarily powerful nation that ever strode the face of
the earth. The campaign in Afghanistan may have been less than perfect
and the planned war on Iraq may be misconceived.
But don't blame America for not bringing peace and light to these wretched
countries. How many democracies are there in the Middle East, or in the
Muslim world? You can count them on the fingers of one hand -assuming you
haven't had any chopped off for minor shoplifting.
I love America, yet America is hated. I guess that makes me Bush's poodle.
But I would rather be a dog in New York City than a Prince in Riyadh.
Above all, America is hated because it is what every country wants to be - rich,
free, strong, open, optimistic. Not ground down by the past, or religion,
or some caste system. America is the best friend this country ever had
and we should start remembering that.
Or do you really think the USA is the root of all evil? Tell it to the
loved ones of the men and women who leaped to their death from the burning
towers. Tell it to the nursing mothers whose husbands died on one of the
hijacked planes, or were ripped apart in a collapsing skyscraper. And
tell it to the hundreds of young widows whose husbands worked for the New York
Fire Department.
To our shame, George Bush gets a worse press than Saddam Hussein. Once we
were told that Saddam gassed the Kurds, tortured his own people and set up
rape-camps in Kuwait. Now we are told he likes Quality Street.
Save me the orange center, oh mighty one!
Remember, remember, September 11.
One of the greatest atrocities in human history was committed against
America.
No, do more than remember. Never forget.
If you aren't interested in the ramblings of an old man, please delete now. If you're still there, pull up a chair and listen:
Is there anyone else out there who's sick and tired of all the polls
being taken in foreign countries as to whether or not they "like" us?
The last time I looked, the word "like" had nothing to do with foreign
policy. I prefer 'respect' or 'fear'. They worked for Rome, which
civilized and kept the peace in the known world a hell of a lot longer
than our puny two centuries-plus.
I see a left-wing German got elected to office recently by campaigning
against the foreign policy of the United States. Yeah, that's what I
want, to be lectured about war and being a "good neighbor" by a German.
Their head honcho said they wouldn't take part in a war against Iraq.
Kind of nice, to see them taking a pass on a war once in while. Perhaps
we needed to have the word "World" in front of War. I think it's time to
bring our boys home from Germany. Outside of the money we'd save, we'd
make the Germans "like" us a lot more, after they started paying the
bills for their own defense.
Last time I checked, France isn't too fond of us either. They sort of
liked us back on June 6th, 1944, though, didn't they? If you don't think
so, see how nicely they take care of the enormous American cemeteries up
above the Normandy beaches. For those of you who've studied history, we
have a few cemeteries in places like Belleau Woods and Chateau Thierry,
also. For those of you who haven't studied it, that was from World War
One, the first time Europe screwed up and we bailed out the French.
That's where the US Marines got the title 'Devil Dogs' or, if you still
care about what the Germans think, "Teufelhunde". I hope I spelled that
right; sure wouldn't want to offend anyone, least of all a German.
Come to think of it, when Europe couldn't take care of their Bosnian
problem recently, guess who had to help out there also. Last time I
checked, our kids are still there. I sort of remember they said they
would be out in a year. Gee, how time flies when you're having fun.
Now we hear that the South Koreans aren't too happy with us either. They
"liked" us a lot better, of course, in June, 1950. It took more than
50,000 Americans killed in Korea to help give them the lifestyle they
currently enjoy, but then who's counting? I think it's also time to
bring the boys home from there. There are about 37,000 young Americans
on the DMZ separating the South Koreans from their "brothers" up North.
Maybe if we leave, they can begin to participate in the "good life" that
North Korea currently enjoys. Uh huh. Sure.
I also understand that a good portion of the Arab/Moslem world now
doesn't "like" us either. Did anyone ever sit down and determine what we
would have to do to get them to like us? Ask them what they would like
us to do. Die?. Commit ritual suicide? Bend over? Maybe we should follow
the advice of our dimwitted, dullest knife in the drawer, Senator Patty
Murray, and build more roads, hospitals, day care centers, and
orphanages like Osama bin Laden does.
What with all the orphans Osama has created, the least he can do is
build some places to put them. Senator Stupid says if we would only
"emulate" Osama, the Arab world would love us.
Sorry Patty; in addition to the fact that we already do all of those
things around the world and have been doing them for over sixty years, I
don't take public transportation, and I certainly wouldn't take it with
a bomb strapped to the guy next to me.
Don't get me wrong: I'm not in favor of going to war. Been there, done
that. Several times, in fact. But I think we ought to have some polls in
this country about other countries, and see if we "like" THEM. Problem
is, if you listed the countries, not only wouldn't the average American
know if he liked them or not, he wouldn't be able to find them. If we're
supposed to worry about them, how about them worrying about us?
We were nice to the North Koreans in 1994, as we followed the policies
of Neville Clinton. And it seemed to work; they didn't re-start nuclear
weapons program for a whole year or so. In the meantime, we fed them
when they were starving, and put oil in their stoves when they were
freezing.
In a recent visit to Norway, I engaged in a really fun debate with my
cousin's son, a student at a Norwegian University. I was lectured to by
this thankless squirt about the American "Empire", and scolded about
dropping the atomic bomb on the Japanese. I reminded him that empires
usually keep the stuff they take; we don't, and back in 1945 most
Norwegians thought dropping ANY kind of bomb on Germany or Japan was a
good idea. I also reminded him that my uncle, his grandfather, and
others in our family spent a significant time in Sachsenhausen
concentration camp, courtesy of the Germans, and they didn't all
survive. I further reminded him that if it wasn't for the "American
Empire" he would probably be speaking German or Russian.
Sorry about the rambling, but I just took an unofficial poll here at our
house, and we don't seem to like anyone.
Is there anyone else out there who's sick and tired of all the polls
being taken in foreign countries as to whether or not they "like" us?
The last time I looked, the word "like" had nothing to do with foreign
policy. I prefer 'respect' or 'fear'. They worked for Rome, which
civilized and kept the peace in the known world a hell of a lot longer
than our puny two centuries-plus.
I see a left-wing German got elected to office recently by campaigning
against the foreign policy of the United States. Yeah, that's what I
want, to be lectured about war and being a "good neighbor" by a German.
Their head honcho said they wouldn't take part in a war against Iraq.
Kind of nice, to see them taking a pass on a war once in while. Perhaps
we needed to have the word "World" in front of War. I think it's time to
bring our boys home from Germany. Outside of the money we'd save, we'd
make the Germans "like" us a lot more, after they started paying the
bills for their own defense.
Last time I checked, France isn't too fond of us either. They sort of
liked us back on June 6th, 1944, though, didn't they? If you don't think
so, see how nicely they take care of the enormous American cemeteries up
above the Normandy beaches. For those of you who've studied history, we
have a few cemeteries in places like Belleau Woods and Chateau Thierry,
also. For those of you who haven't studied it, that was from World War
One, the first time Europe screwed up and we bailed out the French.
That's where the US Marines got the title 'Devil Dogs' or, if you still
care about what the Germans think, "Teufelhunde". I hope I spelled that
right; sure wouldn't want to offend anyone, least of all a German.
Come to think of it, when Europe couldn't take care of their Bosnian
problem recently, guess who had to help out there also. Last time I
checked, our kids are still there. I sort of remember they said they
would be out in a year. Gee, how time flies when you're having fun.
Now we hear that the South Koreans aren't too happy with us either. They
"liked" us a lot better, of course, in June, 1950. It took more than
50,000 Americans killed in Korea to help give them the lifestyle they
currently enjoy, but then who's counting? I think it's also time to
bring the boys home from there. There are about 37,000 young Americans
on the DMZ separating the South Koreans from their "brothers" up North.
Maybe if we leave, they can begin to participate in the "good life" that
North Korea currently enjoys. Uh huh. Sure.
I also understand that a good portion of the Arab/Moslem world now
doesn't "like" us either. Did anyone ever sit down and determine what we
would have to do to get them to like us? Ask them what they would like
us to do. Die?. Commit ritual suicide? Bend over? Maybe we should follow
the advice of our dimwitted, dullest knife in the drawer, Senator Patty
Murray, and build more roads, hospitals, day care centers, and
orphanages like Osama bin Laden does.
What with all the orphans Osama has created, the least he can do is
build some places to put them. Senator Stupid says if we would only
"emulate" Osama, the Arab world would love us.
Sorry Patty; in addition to the fact that we already do all of those
things around the world and have been doing them for over sixty years, I
don't take public transportation, and I certainly wouldn't take it with
a bomb strapped to the guy next to me.
Don't get me wrong: I'm not in favor of going to war. Been there, done
that. Several times, in fact. But I think we ought to have some polls in
this country about other countries, and see if we "like" THEM. Problem
is, if you listed the countries, not only wouldn't the average American
know if he liked them or not, he wouldn't be able to find them. If we're
supposed to worry about them, how about them worrying about us?
We were nice to the North Koreans in 1994, as we followed the policies
of Neville Clinton. And it seemed to work; they didn't re-start nuclear
weapons program for a whole year or so. In the meantime, we fed them
when they were starving, and put oil in their stoves when they were
freezing.
In a recent visit to Norway, I engaged in a really fun debate with my
cousin's son, a student at a Norwegian University. I was lectured to by
this thankless squirt about the American "Empire", and scolded about
dropping the atomic bomb on the Japanese. I reminded him that empires
usually keep the stuff they take; we don't, and back in 1945 most
Norwegians thought dropping ANY kind of bomb on Germany or Japan was a
good idea. I also reminded him that my uncle, his grandfather, and
others in our family spent a significant time in Sachsenhausen
concentration camp, courtesy of the Germans, and they didn't all
survive. I further reminded him that if it wasn't for the "American
Empire" he would probably be speaking German or Russian.
Sorry about the rambling, but I just took an unofficial poll here at our
house, and we don't seem to like anyone.
wow. that was awesome!