what is better? i am thinking of either a 4-bar (specialized) or single pivot (bullit) or a 4 bar like the konas. what do you guys prefer, why?
And I'm an awesome lover when I have a 5th of bourbon.p-spec said:single pivots are awsome pedallers wen they have 5th elements.....
Don't those negate the big single pivot advantage of less maintenance/stuff to think about?buildyourown said:One of the newer single pivots that have a roller to deal with chain line and a floating brake might be the best compromise.
If only your reliable sources had stated the same thing.heikkihall said:I do not know exactly what I am talking about but I believe Ive heard from several reliable sources that this is true.
Only in theory. The reality, in my experience, is that you rarely have to do any maintenance on pivots and stuff anyway - when you do, it's really not much more effort to bang out a couple more and install some new ones.Zark said:Don't those negate the big single pivot advantage of less maintenance/stuff to think about?
Most of the FSRs I've ridden (ESPECIALLY the ones actually made by Specialized, eg Bighits, Enduros, s-works DH's) pedal like crap. IH SGS's are *alright* but still could be better IMO.hucker13 said:DEFINATELY a Specialized 4-bar. It pedals better, and it feels better.
There's no reason why a single pivot is "so bad". It's not bad at all. As a matter of fact, the simplicity, potential stiffness, and weight of a single pivot are all great things.BEAUster said:ok, right now i am leaning towards the iron horse sgs. anyone know how much the frame runs? (factory direct)
another thing is why is a single pivot so bad? cedric runs a gemini and seems to fly on it...
and the dirtbag is in my price range, is that system really all that bad?
keep the suspension debates coming
Well... The dirtbag system will have the same pedalling and braking characteristics as a low single pivot. The pivot that connects the chainstays to the frame on the dirtbag is the frame's "single pivot", so a Bullit-type design with a pivot located in the same place will act in the same manner. The linkage just makes the suspension progressive.BEAUster said:put it this way, i am not all that worried about brake jacking... i just want efficient suspension. let's compare the single pivot verse the dirtbag system...
Actually I totally agree with you on both counts.thaflyinfatman said:FSR's only real advantage over most singlepivots is the braking, but if you've got a floater then say goodbye to that advantage anyway.
IMHO, the actual geometry of the bike matters a lot more than this anyway.
Singlepivots aren't "so bad", they have their advantages and disadvantages like everything else. The advantages of singlepivots are usually light weight, simplicity, and stiffness. The tradeoff is poorer braking, (usually) somewhat harsher suspension action (less supple), etc. For this reason they tend to be a bit beginner-unfriendly (no offence to anyone who doesn't like them), because to take advantage of their strong points and neglect their weaknesses, you generally have to be a pretty good rider. For example a 222 isn't often much help to a novice racer, but guys like Peaty are putting the hammer down the whole way down the track, so the stiffness, weight, etc become very important, and the negatives like brake squat are dealt with by the rider.BEAUster said:ok, right now i am leaning towards the iron horse sgs. anyone know how much the frame runs? (factory direct)
another thing is why is a single pivot so bad? cedric runs a gemini and seems to fly on it...
and the dirtbag is in my price range, is that system really all that bad?
keep the suspension debates coming