You comment on everything; have you rode a Podium or Status? Knolly has been making bikes for years; there have been no reliability problems and they ride great. Let it go dog.the second chainstay actually makes some sense on the latest demos. on the knolly it really is - yo dawg, we heard you like your shock to be driven by links so we put a link on a link to drive your shock.
It makes sense because of the logo or do you find some other great reasons? Because I know many stiff bikes without a bazzilion of stays and with longer back ends.
By your counting methods then, the Demo has 6 pivots, not 4.
You do realize the fact that it's driven by upper stays gives you minimal advantage. I'd have to say I think more people would benefit from an uphillable dh bike with an uninterupted steattube than that small change on the demo.
Care to tell where the two extra pivots are on the demo?
Think about it, a regular FSR bike has exactly the same number of pivots. The Demo just attaches the shock to the chain stay to enable a large leverage increase uncommon in single pivots whilst also reducing CG and adding stiffness.
I'm counting axles, because you could reason that each axle has a certain tolerance that introduces slop, adding more bearings wouldn't change this, just a school of thought. My comment wasn't really directed at anyone.
As much as I think the demo is a great bike you need to stop drinking the s branded coolaid. You kinda lost me when you claimed there is an increase in leverage rate on the demo. You seriously need to read less ads. Yes demo has an nice leverage curve that some people will like, a low cg and a stiff rear end but I think you miss the irony here. There are other bikes than achieve the same (a curve they want, a low cog, a stiff rear end) without extra stays. Kinda what you accuse knolly off.
so where are the frames you designed mr armchair engineer? or the company you founded with all your great wisdom?
new lower bottom bracket area
Yeah, but Colin Chapman was also cool with his racing equipment falling apart as soon as it crossed the finish line(It was too heavy if it didn't). I don't think I'd be cool w/that.
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Yes you are
No you don't
No, you sure have not.
It's not hard to design a single pivot.
You're lazy too? Your eharmony dating profile must be polarizing.
so you like fsr... we understand this. Have you spent any time riding a large number of frames with different geometry and platforms? how about platforms using different shocks, air and coil? different dampening settings? single pivots 10 years ago with 5th elements in the rear? how about a new single pivot with a progressive air shock? The funny thing about your whole agument as to why you don't like knolly doesn't hold in any facet of the imagination other than you simply do not like it for what ever reason it may be. That's ok, there are bikes i don't like that actually ride fantasticly, I hate Cannondale now, and the new jekyll and clarymore are actually very capable bikes, but due to an old boss that had throbbing boners for cannondale, i will never look at one the same again. Knolly provides everything that you like about bikes, and actually, rides very nicely in the location where it has been designed. Have you ever been to squamish? some of the xc trails around there would make capable DH **** their padded ridding shorts.
The wheelpath of the Podium is only affected by 4 of those pivots, just like the Demo. The others are just to change shock progression and stiffen the frame, just like the Demo. If you're not going to count those pivots on the Demo, then you can't count them on the Podium, either.
Alright, let's count all of them then. The Demo is still a lot simpler: 6 pivots versus 9.
Pretty much summed up my experience.
I totally agree! The short chainstay fad doesn't seem to be conducive to a good cornering bike....unless you like to wash your front end out and fall alot?!
