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JohnE

JohnE

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Front Range, dude...
dante said:
Saw a kid while on vacation a couple weeks ago wearing the following:

This shirt:



And these shorts:



Couldn't think of a polite way of saying "hey, you mind if I get a picture of that outfit? Can't wait to post that on a website back home...." Didn't have the heart to tell him that we were a worthless podunk backwater country for the first ~140 years of our existence and only survived because we were too far away from everyone else to get to. Having another nation burn the president's house to the ground doesn't exactly sound like "running the world" to me.
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Did you tell him he was in violation of Title 4, USC, § 8. Respect for Flag (j)? "No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen..."
 
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JohnE said:
Did you tell him he was in violation of Title 4, USC, § 8. Respect for Flag (j)? "No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen..."
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Rex disagrees.
 
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JohnE said:
Did you tell him he was in violation of Title 4, USC, § 8. Respect for Flag (j)? "No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen..."
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what if he's a pathological liar? then it's free speech
 
syadasti

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More on America - For the corporations by the corporations:



"Take the case of Michael Taylor. After graduating from law school at the University of Virginia in 1976, Taylor went to work for the Food and Drug Administration, eventually rising to the position of executive assistant to the FDA's administrator. Then Taylor left the federal government for a post in the high powered D.C. law firm of King and Spaulding. Taylor was the firm's specialist in food and drug matters pending before the FDA. During his tenure at King and Spaulding Taylor's client included Coca-Cola, Carnation, the Food Biotechnology Council, and Monsanto. One of Taylor's duties was to represent Monsanto's efforts to get its bovine growth hormone approved by the FDA. Taylor left King and Spaulding in 1991 to rejoin the FDA, this time as Deputy Commission for Policy. In that position Taylor was responsible for writing guidelines on the use and marketing of the controversial hormone that were favorable to the company. Specifically, Taylor drafted guidelines that exempted milk producers from labeling dairy products from cows that had been treated with rBHG. Now Taylor has returned to Monsanto, working on what the company calls "long range planning."...

During his days at King and Spaulding, Taylor also authored more than a dozen articles critical of the Delaney Clause, a federal law passed in 1958 prohibiting the introduction of known carcinogens to processed foods. The Delaney Clause had long been opposed by Monsanto and other chemical and pesticide companies. When Taylor rejoined the federal government, he continued to argue that Delaney should be overturned. This was finally done when President Clinton signed the so-called Food Quality Protection Act on the eve of the 1996 elections."
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In 1985 Monsanto purchased G.D. Searle, the chemical company that held the patent to aspartame, the active ingredient in NutraSweet. Monsanto was apparently untroubled by aspartame's clouded past, including a 1980 FDA Board of Inquiry, comprised of three independent scientists, which confirmed that it "might induce brain tumors."

The FDA had actually banned aspartame based on this finding, only to have Searle Chairman Donald Rumsfeld (currently the Secretary of Defense) vow to "call in his markers," to get it approved.

On January 21, 1981, the day after Ronald Reagan's inauguration, Searle re-applied to the FDA for approval to use aspartame in food sweetener, and Reagan's new FDA commissioner, Arthur Hayes Hull, Jr., appointed a 5-person Scientific Commission to review the board of inquiry's decision.

It soon became clear that the panel would uphold the ban by a 3-2 decision, but Hull then installed a sixth member on the commission, and the vote became deadlocked. He then personally broke the tie in aspartame's favor. Hull later left the FDA under allegations of impropriety, served briefly as Provost at New York Medical College, and then took a position with Burston-Marsteller, the chief public relations firm for both Monsanto and GD Searle. Since that time he has never spoken publicly about aspartame.
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David W. Beier . . .former head of Government Affairs for Genentech, Inc. . . . chief domestic policy advisor to Al Gore when he was Vice President.

Linda J. Fisher . . .former Assistant Administrator of the United States Environmental Protection Agency's Office of Pollution Prevention, Pesticides, and Toxic Substances...now Vice President of Government and Public Affairs for Monsanto Corporation.

Michael A. Friedman, M.D. . . former acting commissioner of the United States Food and Drug Administration (FDA) Department of Health and Human Services . . .now senior vice-president for clinical affairs at G. D. Searle & Co., a pharmaceutical division of Monsanto Corporation.

L. Val Giddings . . . former biotechnology regulator and (biosafety) negotiator at the United States Department of Agriculture (USDA/APHIS) . . .now Vice President for Food & Agriculture of the Biotechnology Industry Organization (BIO).

Marcia Hale . . . former assistant to the President of the United States and director for intergovernmental affairs . . .now Director of International Government Affairs for Monsanto Corporation.

Michael (Mickey) Kantor. . . former Secretary of the United States Department of Commerce and former Trade Representative of the United States . . . now member of the board of directors of Monsanto Corporation.

Josh King . . . former director of production for White House events. . . now director of global communication in the Washington, D.C. office of Monsanto Corporation.

Terry Medley . . . former administrator of the Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service (APHIS) of the United States Department of Agriculture, former chair and vice-chair of the United States Department of Agriculture Biotechnology Council, former member of the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) food advisory committee...and now Director of Regulatory and External Affairs of Dupont Corporation's Agricultural Enterprise.

Margaret Miller . . . former chemical laboratory supervisor for Monsanto, . . .now Deputy Director of Human Food Safety and Consultative Services, New Animal Drug Evaluation Office, Center for Veterinary Medicine in the United States Food and Drug Administration (FDA).*

Michael Phillips . . . recently with the National Academy of Science Board on Agriculture . . . now head of regulatory affairs for the Biotechnology Industry Organization.

William D. Ruckelshaus . . . former chief administrator of the United States Environmental Protection Agency (USEPA), . .now (and for the past 12 years) a member of the board of directors of Monsanto Corporation.

Michael Taylor . . . former legal advisor to the United States Food and Drug Administration (FDA)'s Bureau of Medical Devices and Bureau of Foods, later executive assistant to the Commissioner of the FDA... still later a partner at the law firm of King & Spaulding where he supervised a nine-lawyer group whose clients included Monsanto Agricultural Company... still later Deputy Commissioner for Policy at the United States Food and Drug Administration, . . . and later with the law firm of King & Spaulding... now head of the Washington, D.C. office of Monsanto Corporation.*

Lidia Watrud . . . former microbial biotechnology researcher at Monsanto Corporation in St. Louis, Missouri, . . .now with the United States Environmental Protection Agency Environmental Effects Laboratory, Western Ecology Division.

Jack Watson. . .former chief of staff to the President of the United States, Jimmy Carter, . . .now a staff lawyer with Monsanto Corporation in Washington, D.C.

Clayton K. Yeutter . . . former Secretary of the U.S. Department of Agriculture, former U.S. Trade Representative (who led the U.S. team in negotiating the U.S. Canada Free Trade Agreement and helped launch the Uruguay Round of the GATT negotiations), now a member of the board of directors of Mycogen Corporation, whose majority owner is Dow AgroSciences, a wholly owned subsidiary of The Dow Chemical Company.

Larry Zeph . . . former biologist in the Office of Prevention, Pesticides, and Toxic Substances, U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, . . . now Regulatory Science Manager at Pioneer Hi-Bred International.

*Margaret Miller, Michael Taylor, and Suzanne Sechen (an FDA "primary reviewer for all rbST and other dairy drug production applications" ) were the subjects of a U.S. General Accounting Office (GAO) investigation in 1994 for their role in the U.S. Food and Drug Administration's approval of Posilac, Monsanto Corporation's formulation of recombinant bovine growth hormone (rbST or rBGH). The GAO Office found "no conflicting financial interests with respect to the drug's approval" and only "one minor deviation from now superseded FDA regulations". (Quotations are from the 1994 GAO report).
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hence, "a harvard study" (see the air bunnies?)

did you think i didn't see that?
 
dante

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stevew said:
chris being chris...
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She was this >< close to having a rational, coherent argument, namely that organized religions of all kinds impose their own views on people through a false "interpretation" of the book on which it's based (see: Veils in Islam, segregated buses in Israel, or just about anything Catholic).

And then she went utterly off the deep end...
 
Nick

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where the trails are
close, but not so much.

The pic with moar exposure was original, but photochopped to cover all that skin when reprinted in the Iranian press.
 
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syadasti said:
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saw that on the feed this wknd posted by a h.s. friend who's simultaneously outraged & pulling down 200k+/yr (d.c. area, of course).

the rich get richer & all he has is a tudor home on a 1/2 acre lot in cheverly that took him 5 -- FIVE!! -- years to pay off. also, the lease is about up on one of his S-classes. white guilt; party of one
 
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$tinkle said:
saw that on the feed this wknd posted by a h.s. friend who's simultaneously outraged & pulling down 200k+/yr (d.c. area, of course).

the rich get richer & all he has is a tudor home on a 1/2 acre lot in cheverly that took him 5 -- FIVE!! -- years to pay off. also, the lease is about up on one of his S-classes. white guilt; party of one
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Nice story but that doesn't mean anything.


A consumption based society needs a large middle class for prosperity and longevity.
 
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while that's a decent place to start a deeper discussion, i take issue w/ a few facts he points out, but fails to put them into context, or dig further (even though he begins to acknowledge these shortcomings in his final slide):
- level of trust among individuals; be interested to see if there's a concurrent study on trust of gov't
- homicide rate in us -vs- canada; does he not factor in the population density? (no)
- comparisons do not account for immigration policies, most notably wrt infant mortality (sweden -vs- uk)
- "physiology of stress"; the opportunity missed to sing the praises of "survival of the fittest"

as for my valuation of quality of life: it won't increase nearly as fast when correlated to financial security/equality than it does for my general welfare. that is, i would be absolutely miserable if i had to move back to d.c. with a crushing commute, lack of open space, increased & sustained environmental background noise, and every interaction is done with extreme freneticism. if offered double to move back, or half to stay, i wouldn't waste 2 clock cycles on making the choice which would result in a longer & healthier life for me & my family.
 
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also, canada is 80% white. shall we now include demographics, or even voluntary segregation of demographics? non-white males account for a disproportionate crime in this country. even when you account for economic status, blacks proportionately commit more crimes than whites, so we can say with reasonable certainty giving them a bigger check won't lower the crime rate among this demographic. shall we stop right there & declare 'eureka'? certainly not, b/c there's many variables, and melanin provides no causality.

point is, you "level the wealth playing field" to what it's like in canada, and i would not expect the homicide rate to also mirror their's as a result.
 
syadasti

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Actually SES is a more reliable factor than race. Minorities start in lower SES and in most societies, especially with large inequality, change little with time.
 
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