[trib]

meh. I think the serious chat had been discussed.

Topic: New rocky mountain proto.

Considering no one has ridden it and there are only a few photos to go from, what can really be said? The frame looks a bit like an old Ironhorse that an used Ellsworth ICT tech rear end. No one really rode that either though, so again, what can be said?

I think people making points about a bike they haven't ridden makes less than sense than conversationa bout nachos.

same goes for the race threads. barely anyone has ridden the course, the riders and mechanics out there know better than we do, why not have a laugh and enjoy the real news as it trickles in from Vital and dirt.

 

[boylagz]

^ Arent stuff we post on here make for good laughs? Be it factual or not, I am having a great time

 

[demonprec]

it,s a Rocky i seen a black one several weeks back when we where up in Whistler , the one i seen had Rocky down the down tube the frame was flat black and the lettering was a shiner black color you could just make out the name thru the dust all over the bike Thomas Vanderham was riding it

 

[aenema]

it,s a Rocky i seen a black one several weeks back when we where up in Whistler , the one i seen had Rocky down the down tube the frame was flat black and the lettering was a shiner black color you could just make out the name thru the dust all over the bike Thomas Vanderham was riding it

My eyes!!, make it stop, please. I think I was able to comprehend enough from this unstructured mental spewing to realize he was confirming what we already knew. One of the more painful thread additions I have ever wished I had never read.

 

[ChrisRobin]

Just a visual comparison:

 

[Drth Vadr]

 

[demonprec]

resembles a RAM DHX2 as well

http://www.ram-bikes.com/eng/galleri_fullscr.php?image_no=_13_DHX2.11641204000.jpg

 

[demonprec]

My eyes!!, make it stop, please. I think I was able to comprehend enough from this unstructured mental spewing to realize he was confirming what we already knew. One of the more painful thread additions I have ever wished I had never read.

and yet you felt compelled enough to respond thanx

 

[monkeyfcuker]

What's the punishment for loving a Kona these days?

 

[ChrisRobin]

What's the big difference if the rear axle is fixed to the chainstay (Kona) vs having a pivot there (RM, Trek, Norco)?

 

[demonprec]

What's the big difference if the rear axle is fixed to the chainstay (Kona) vs having a pivot there (RM, Trek, Norco)?

i know my Kona is considered a single pivot design as the axle and main pivot being on the chain stay , the others the axle is on the seat stays ar considered a 4bar and the suspension ramps differently

 

[jonKranked]

What's the big difference if the rear axle is fixed to the chainstay (Kona) vs having a pivot there (RM, Trek, Norco)?

axle path, anti-squat, brake dive, all sorts of hoopla

 

[Steve M]

What's the big difference if the rear axle is fixed to the chainstay (Kona) vs having a pivot there (RM, Trek, Norco)?

Braking performance is the main difference - when the pivot is on the chainstay or concentric to the rear axle (RM/Trek/Norco), the instant centre of the suspension (the point about which the brake caliper is effectively rotating as the suspension moves) is a lot further forwards. Exactly how far forwards and how high it is, is dependent on the geometry of the specific bike and its position in its travel at any given moment, but the geometry (pivot locations) of all these are reasonably similar so we can make some generalisations. In the simplest possible terms, this means that when braking, the rotation of the wheel is less able to rotate the brake caliper (and the link to which it is attached) forwards, which reduces the wheel's ability to influence the movement of the suspension. In marketing terms, this is "isolating the braking forces from the suspension", or in more accurate terms, reducing the influence of braking on suspension movement.

For all intents and purposes, it has little effect on anything else - moving the pivot from the seatstay to the chainstay does not change the axle path significantly enough (the change is almost zero in actual fact) to have any substantial effect on axle path, and because with any given gearing & BB height, axle path is the overwhelmingly dominant determining factor in pedaling performance, it doesn't really have any substantial effect on that either.

 

[blindboxx2334]

What's the punishment for loving a Kona these days?

please, everyone keep hating on kona, so i can keep finding good ass deals on em

 

[Josef]

Looks like Wade was on one of these in PB's recent photo epic.

http://www.pinkbike.com/news/Legends-of-Retallack-part-one-2013.html

 

[banj]

please, everyone keep hating on kona, so i can keep finding good ass deals on em

Is there something wrong with the entourage/operator? There seems to be lots of good deals on new ones. Has there been cracking issues?

 

[blindboxx2334]

not that i know of, mine has been fine.. hell, last time i rode it, i ate **** and dislocated my shoulder (bike is okay though)

like anything though, you have the kona haters who like to post pics of broken operator frames... although the one weird thing that i have noticed is out of all the (pre-carbon) broken operators ive seen, they are all the base model and not the 'preme ones. despite them being the 'same thing', i have yet to see a broken supreme operator. i was also told that 2013 models have a slightly thicker DT. (i couldnt confirm, since it didnt come from kona, but thats what i was told)

i think i may have seen one broken entourage.. for whatever reason, the haters like to dog pile on the operator while the entourage doesnt get much attention.

 

[demonprec]

i chatted with the local Kona rep last friday at the bike shop , he said they changed the DT and rear chainstays in 2013 and the bike is slightly heavier . if a bike has broken it,s been due too casing a landing/crashing not poor quality design or manufacturing , my Kona is 5mths old now and i have yet too look at any pivots .

 

[banj]

i chatted with the local Kona rep last friday at the bike shop , he said they changed the DT and rear chainstays in 2013 and the bike is slightly heavier . if a bike has broken it,s been due too casing a landing/crashing not poor quality design or manufacturing , my Kona is 5mths old now and i have yet too look at any pivots .

How come they changed the down tube then?

 

[rideit]

How come they changed the down tube then?

to make it better, duh

 

[TGR]

They revised the frame for 2013 to make it a bit beefier in key areas...

I've ridden mine (2013 operator, non supreme, not stock) for around a year now and had absolutely zero problem with it apart from snapping 2 shocks, though... 2013 kage on the first ride and a 2014 double barrel on the second ride.) Both got warrantied and now the bike has been flawless since august

Other than that, it's so crazy fun to ride and fast through the rough stuff that I kinda feel like not even wanting to sell it for the plastic one

 

[demonprec]

How come they changed the down tube then?

thicker and different shape and size

 

[blindboxx2334]

Other than that, it's so crazy fun to ride and fast through the rough stuff that I kinda feel like not even wanting to sell it for the plastic one

+1, havent ridden mine in a month or two... shoulder got dislocated last time i rode and i still doesnt feel all the great.. need to stop being a pu$$y and get back on it!

other than that, i didnt know about the thickened CS, only the DT. so thank you for that knowledge

 

[TrumbullHucker]

the RM proto looks sharp but why the hell is everything starting to look the same?

 

[peecee]

Its back

 

[tomasis7]

looks sturdy as fuck!

its almost Pron for a Bos fanboy!

 

[norbar]

Gib me those forkz. The frame looks strange. Though I really hope they finally offer a really good dh bike. Their trailbikes are dope.

 

[TrumbullHucker]

massive rocker and pivots
clean lines
too bad it cant go into sunlight but..
im in
to rocky mountain

 

[yd35]

too bad it cant go into sunlight

 

[kickstand]

I'm confused about this thread. The title clearly states carbon, yet the first bike pictured in the first post is clearly one of two things.

1. A carbon bike with "welds"
2. An Aluminum bike that appears, aluminum.

 

[troy]

I'm confused about this thread. The title clearly states carbon, yet the first bike pictured in the first post is clearly one of two things.

1. A carbon bike with "welds"
2. An Aluminum bike that appears, aluminum.

 

[blindboxx2334]

I'm confused about this thread. The title clearly states carbon, yet the first bike pictured in the first post is clearly one of two things.

1. A carbon bike with "welds"
2. An Aluminum bike that appears, aluminum.

probably edited thread title.

 

[kickstand]

probably edited thread title.

that makes my post boring.

take it back

 

[demonprec]

original post was a couple summers back now , seen the aluminum version back in 2013 at WBP .

 

[peecee]

I'm confused about this thread. The title clearly states carbon, yet the first bike pictured in the first post is clearly one of two things.

1. A carbon bike with "welds"
2. An Aluminum bike that appears, aluminum.

Doesn't take much to confuse people on this forum does it

 

[kickstand]

Doesn't take much to confuse people on this forum does it

You tell us, you seem confused

 

[commencaldh]

Doesn't it look a bit like a.... ?

session

 

[Sandro]

Doesn't it look a bit like a.... ?

session

 

[kickstand]

What's the punishment for loving a Kona these days?

I realize this was posted in 2013. However, this weekend the penalty for owning a Kona was a podium spot in both elite men and juniors.

 

[dan-o]

I realize this was posted in 2013. However, this weekend the penalty for owning a Kona was a podium spot in both elite men and juniors.

All it took was 27.5 wheels to make them competitive.