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4130biker

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So now instead of one 15mm standard, there are two? What next, increase the diameter of the axle to 19mm?
 

captainspauldin

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20x110 was too much for anything but DH, so we came up with 15x100 which is lighter and almost as stiff, don't worry most hubs can convert from 20x110 to 15x100 with new endcaps.

15x100 isn't enough for big wheels, so we ignored the 20x110 standard that already exists and created 15x110 to make YOUR lives easier. oh BTW you can't just buy new endcaps for you 20x110 or 15x100 hubs, you're going to have to buy a new hub.
 

SSLTom992

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so in addition to 12x148 hub standards (thanks trek, glad you didn't go with the already existing 12x150, those 2mm were make or break)

RS just announced moar standards

http://www.pinkbike.com/news/sram-announces-new-hub-standards-boost-148-and-110-2015.html
While you're talking about stupid standards - WHY did they go to 27.5" wheels instead of the 700c standards that has hundreds of rims for every purpose under the sun? So that they could have to manufacture their own special use rims?
 

HAB

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While you're talking about stupid standards - WHY did they go to 27.5" wheels instead of the 700c standards that has hundreds of rims for every purpose under the sun? So that they could have to manufacture their own special use rims?
Uh, because 700c is the same standard as 29"?

But yeah, fuck RS for this one.
 

HAB

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15x100 isn't enough for big wheels, so we ignored the 20x110 standard that already exists and created 15x110 to make YOUR lives easier. oh BTW you can't just buy new endcaps for you 20x110 or 15x100 hubs, you're going to have to buy a new hub.
There kind of almost sort of is some logic to it. The 20x110 standard was meant to have hubs convertible with 9x100 QRs, so wasn't really able to take advantage of the wider hub to stretch the flange spacing. The idea with this new standard is to push the hub flanges out a bit, theoretically making a stiffer wheel.

All that said, if I had my way we'd still be using 20x100 on 26" wheel bikes with none of this 15mm/650b shit.
 

norbar

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There kind of almost sort of is some logic to it. The 20x110 standard was meant to have hubs convertible with 9x100 QRs, so wasn't really able to take advantage of the wider hub to stretch the flange spacing. The idea with this new standard is to push the hub flanges out a bit, theoretically making a stiffer wheel.

All that said, if I had my way we'd still be using 20x100 on 26" wheel bikes with none of this 15mm/650b shit.
Does that mean they couldn't make a backwards compatable 20x110 hub that has wider flanges yet it is not compatable with 9x100?


Also am I the only one wondering how 150x12 requires 83mm bb but 148x12 does not and works with 73mm? Am I missing something?
 

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somebody is going to get rich selling a 5mm rotor spacer. Back in the day I had a hugi hub that was convertible between magura and hayes standards (hayes won), which were 5mm between the two.
 

HAB

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Does that mean they couldn't make a backwards compatable 20x110 hub that has wider flanges yet it is not compatable with 9x100?
The brake rotor location is limiting. There isn't really room to push the NDS flange out without moving the rotor outboard, which then changes the needed location for the brake mount on the fork. You probably could push the DS flange out but that would just make a more dished wheel.


Also am I the only one wondering how 150x12 requires 83mm bb but 148x12 does not and works with 73mm? Am I missing something?
Isn't it asymmetric?
 

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I was wrong. It does push the cassette 3mm outboard as compared to a 135/142 wheel. Sram are making special spiders to push the chainline 3mm out too.
 

bengxe

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Also am I the only one wondering how 150x12 requires 83mm bb but 148x12 does not and works with 73mm? Am I missing something?
148 more directly compares to 142/157. 148 is only 6mm wider than 135/142, and 9mm narrower than 150/157. It also may be assymetrical, I dont know. But I bet we'll see another bb standard to go with 148 before long.
 

time-bomb

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148 more directly compares to 142/157. 148 is only 6mm wider than 135/142, and 9mm narrower than 150/157. It also may be assymetrical, I dont know. But I bet we'll see another bb standard to go with 148 before long.
Ssssshhhhh! Dude, don't give these azzhats anymore ideas.
 

marshalolson

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I was wrong. It does push the cassette 3mm outboard as compared to a 135/142 wheel. Sram are making special spiders to push the chainline 3mm out too.
i think they are just using the BB30 spiders on GXP cranks to add the 3mm chain line.
 

norbar

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148 more directly compares to 142/157. 148 is only 6mm wider than 135/142, and 9mm narrower than 150/157. It also may be assymetrical, I dont know. But I bet we'll see another bb standard to go with 148 before long.
So it's narrower than 150 by 9mm? In what point? Also what's the point of a standard directly in between 142 and 150? Wasn't 142 suposed to be in between? Seriously I am confused.
 

ChrisRobin

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I'm wondering if these bike industry guys are seeing the generally negative reaction from the consumer. At this point these changes have become a joke.
 

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I'm wondering if these bike industry guys are seeing the generally negative reaction from the consumer. At this point these changes have become a joke.
Lets hope so. I'm sure it's a calculated thing, where even if some of us are pissed, they will still come out ahead.
 

norbar

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I'm wondering if these bike industry guys are seeing the generally negative reaction from the consumer. At this point these changes have become a joke.
I doubt that it will change soon. The industry got too organized. Friends who visit tw and got to talk to big guys went back with stories of "we have a new standard we are pushing next season" for the last 6-8 years. We just didn't notice those because those were unorganized attempts made by only a small fraction of the companies. Now the only company that seems out of touch is giant with their overdrive failure and slower adoption of new, stupid fads but they have always been a bit behind the curve. The rest pushes together like they are your OPEC or worse US net providers.

If biking industry is anything like the movie industry the only way this thing changes if something massively bad happens to sales. The only moment where public outrage could change something were screwups on the level of Batman and Robin and I don't see any batnips floating around
 

iRider

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Over the last years I have seen a significant amount of friends that normally bought the latest and greatest all the time stopping this habit because the resale value of their "old" parts is not there anymore (thanks to new standards and "innovation"). So in a way the bike industry stopped their consumerism. And it is kind of dangerous if core members of the MTB community don't follow the latest trends, because all those sheep that buy whatever the cool guys ride will eventually think about why all the fast guys are still on totally unrideable 26", 20 mm axle, coil sprung, 9 or 10 spd bikes.
 

ianjenn

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Jesus for the love of Peat quit coming out with crazy new standards......I will help make this thread better.



Your welcome.
 

jonKranked

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Over the last years I have seen a significant amount of friends that normally bought the latest and greatest all the time stopping this habit because the resale value of their "old" parts is not there anymore (thanks to new standards and "innovation"). So in a way the bike industry stopped their consumerism. And it is kind of dangerous if core members of the MTB community don't follow the latest trends, because all those sheep that buy whatever the cool guys ride will eventually think about why all the fast guys are still on totally unrideable 26", 20 mm axle, coil sprung, 9 or 10 spd bikes.

This. I haven't bought much new because I can't just get a frame and swap all my parts. When I do get another bike it'll probably from a comp like guerilla grav so I can get what I want without the marketing bukakke
 
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So it's narrower than 150 by 9mm? In what point? Also what's the point of a standard directly in between 142 and 150? Wasn't 142 suposed to be in between? Seriously I am confused.
A 142 hub is basically a 135 but with a 3.5mm extension on either end that "nests" in the shoulders in the frame. This makes aligning the wheel during installation easier. To accommodate the shoulders, you basically add 7mm to the "old" hub widths. Thusly a 150 hub became a 157. And by that logic, a 148 hub is like a 141 in terms of old units.
 

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A 142 hub is basically a 135 but with a 3.5mm extension on either end that "nests" in the shoulders in the frame. This makes aligning the wheel during installation easier. To accommodate the shoulders, you basically add 7mm to the "old" hub widths. Thusly a 150 hub became a 157. And by that logic, a 148 hub is like a 141 in terms of old units.
Because setting a hub in dropouts was like nuclear fucking fission :rolleyes:
 

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Just fodder for the dentists. "Oh, this trek has a new stiffer rear end? Great, I'll take four." Hopefully nobody else goes for this shit.
 

4130biker

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Just fodder for the dentists. "Oh, this trek has a new stiffer rear end? Great, I'll take four." Hopefully nobody else goes for this shit.
Problem is, bikes we want will have this shit.... So we support it even if we don't want it. Like the 142+ and bb30 or whatever the f it is on the enduro. If it's a good bike, it wont stop me, but maybe it should.
 

tacubaya

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Good thing I ride/sell Canfield Brothers and they don't follow this bullsh1t.

Enduro frame: Threaded BB and 142x12.
DH frame: Threaded BB and 150x12.