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Discussion in 'Downhill & Freeride' started by Sandwich, Aug 16, 2013.

  1. Sandwich just shake your rump

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  2. ianjenn Active Member

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    Nice, be curious to try one out as some point!
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  3. IH8Rice I'm Mr. Negative! I Fail!

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    theres already a 380 thread mod-newb! PB's article seems to be half assed as this is one almost identical to the one they did in March

    with the DVO's price way out of touch, the 380 will be replacing my 888
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    any info if the stanchions are still spaced like the 888s? would love to put my chunked crown on these...
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    dynamic bleed cartridge? Isn't that what the CR is or something similar?
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  6. boylagz New Member

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    Would there be a non-Ti version?
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  7. Sandwich just shake your rump

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    Pffft whatever.

    Yeah the PB article is a hype piece but its good to see the 380 come closer to fruition. No price yet which is silly. I think the dynamic bleed is the floating piston compensator, but they make it sound like its a semi bath damper which sounds kind of weird.
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    This fork looks serious plush
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  9. IH8Rice I'm Mr. Negative! I Fail!

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    ^^ i can do that with my 888 now

    when i talked to them on Monday they didnt have a price or an exact eta, only "end of september." i wanted to know if my 888 springs will work in it but they didnt know that either
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  10. demonprec New Member

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    i was at Marz in NorthVan last month and seen the new stuff on a couple bike they had in the shop
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    Haha, you can see that from pictures can you, or do you have a plushometer plugged into your monitor? :)
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    Does anyone know if the new damper fits into the 888-chassis? Stanction-diameter is still 38mm so it might work and save a lot of money for a slight weight penalty.
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    Made in Italy? No Italy = me no want.
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    No, made in Taiwan. The last Italian made Marzocchis were 2007 models, I think.


    Edit: took the Suntour off, it was DVO that was made by Suntour, not Marzocchi anymore.
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  15. ChrisRobin Active Member

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    I wonder if the new lowers fit the previous Evo forks, providing the holes at the bottom are the same size. My bushings are a little buggered...
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    The compensator is spring-backed (like a CR and nearly every modern MX fork) but at full bottom out the piston moves up to expose a small port where excess oil and air can bleed out. From then on the cart has the correct oil level but bottom oil seal uses a one-way design so oil can be pushed back in to the cart if it did happen to drop too low. So in function it works like a sealed cartridge but as far as assembly/maintenance goes it is more like an open bath

    And for springs - yes 888 springs will drop right in, so if you've bought a Ti sprig you can keep using it :)
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  17. Sandwich just shake your rump

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    Whoa..that's...really cool.
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    This. That fork should rip.
    Any words on the new shock?
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  19. chillindrdude Active Member

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    Same here. $2350 is alittle nutz
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    whoa seriously?
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  21. chillindrdude Active Member

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    In the comments section of that Bryson Martin pinkbike interview, someone posted MSRP prices for all the major forks. $2350 was listed for the DVO.

    Dunno why theyre so tight lipped about MSRP...

    If the RS Pike new dampers hold up and then make it into the new Boxxer, that will be a contender as well
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    is the DVO going to be domestically produced?
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    negative, fabricated/assembled in Taiwan...

    additionally why i thought the pricetag was steep. just imagine if it was made in the USA. first $3K+ fork?

    as much i am a believer in the USD fork (i love my dorado). when it's time for something new, i think the 380 will be at the top of my list.

    i forgot to throw the BOS Idyll into that list...with a north american distributor and warranty servicer finally in place, i'd check them out.
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    wow. i hadn't seen the taiwan part. that would have explained the price if it was domestically produced. but damn.
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  25. gemini2k Active Member

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    Yeah definitely a steep price. But I think you have to realize that fork is going to be in a different league than other forks currently on the market. They are definitely not trying to compete side by side with them. Either way, should be interesting to see how this all plays out. Zoke has really been hurting this year.
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    Different league how? Promised and documented % increase in speed?
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    Easily revalvable (don't have to drain oil and rebuild the whole fork), a new level in bushing tolerances and overal lack of friction in fork, and a few other things.

    After riding the Dorado for a while now, I'm interested in seeing how improved torsional stiffness would change the handling of an inverted fork. I'm still not sure whether the flex in the Dorado (which is noticeable) is bad or good.
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  28. Sandwich just shake your rump

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    but how much cheaper does it ride????
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    $2,350!?!? So after their first run of 300 they are going to net $705,000?

    I want to see a 380 review on one straight out of the factory
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    $2350 and I don't even get an M-arch? WTF?!
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  31. Sandwich just shake your rump

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    yeah you do, it's the carbon "totally better than a thicker axle" not really integrated fender.

    You did realize 2350 was for a devo, right?
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    No, they're going to gross $705k at that price/volume.
    I'd imagine they'll still be deep in the red if that's their total production number.
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  33. IH8Rice I'm Mr. Negative! I Fail!

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    youd think Marz usa would have known that..

    Avy agress
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    If your hoping that the Carbon torsion arch (as DVO calls it) will help out I'm pretty sure it won't at all. The attachment points of the arch will make it pretty much useless, it would be very interesting to see any measurement or calculation to support their 50% increase in torsional stiffness. Which I believe to be marketing bull**** :)
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    I havent been following the whole DVO deal. Are they going direct to consumer or through dealers?
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    Don't know, not really following it either.
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  37. IH8Rice I'm Mr. Negative! I Fail!

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    gross ≠ net
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    Yep. $705k in net profit. Because there are no distributors and no OEM sales. So each fork sold gets them $2350 in revenue. And amazingly there and no costs associated with marketing, development, and manufacturing the forks. So each dollar in gross revenue is a dollar in net profit!! It's an amazing business model.
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  40. gemini2k Active Member

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    Yeah...it works. The beautiful thing is you can run it with, or without, and feel the difference yourself! So "marketing bullsh*t" wouldn't really help them there. That thing is adding a SIGNIFICANT amount to the total cost of production (~1/4 to 1/3 if I remember correctly) and difficult to source. It's a reasonably complex carbon structure from my understanding. I doubt they would be spending the time, money, and effort if it was "marketing bullsh*t".
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