[SCARY]

I have an m9 and really love it,except the few extra lbs.it lugs around. I came off 2 light bikes before and really miss that part.Anyone rode all 3 for a ride characteristic comparison?
I'm thinking of building a retarded all carbon 9.9 just for fun and so I can stare at it and post pictures of it online.

 

[Tetreault]

m9 and v10 share almost identical geometry, and since they are both vpp the ride characteristics of the suspension are also almost identical. So if you like the way the m9 rides, the v10c would shed that little bit of weight like you are looking for. On the other hand, a retarded carbon 9.9 sounds pretty cool to me from a bike porn perspective!

 

[StunZeeD]

m9 and v10 share almost identical geometry, and since they are both vpp the ride characteristics of the suspension are also almost identical. So if you like the way the m9 rides, the v10c would shed that little bit of weight like you are looking for. On the other hand, a retarded carbon 9.9 sounds pretty cool to me from a bike porn perspective!

37lb M9 isn't a hard build, my buddy has his at 36.3

 

[Dwdrums00]

m9 and v10 share almost identical geometry, and since they are both vpp the ride characteristics of the suspension are also almost identical.

Almost identical geometry, how do you figure? The M9 has a 63.5* HT angle with a 13.6" BB height under static sag. The V10c has a 65* HT angle and 14.8" BB height (think red bull rampage circa 2001) in 10" mode under static sag.

 

[Mo(n)arch]

The new V10 slacker:
Whitout SAG you get 65°HA in the 10 inch mode, 64° in the 8,5 inch mode.
BB height 14,8" (10inch) or 14,2" (8,5inch).

If you want it slacker, there is a thing called angleset. I don't know if they are included with the frame though.

 

[SCARY]

37lb M9 isn't a hard build, my buddy has his at 36.3

I had a 224 and a 951 in the mid 36 range,with the same parts I have on the m9 ,which I'm guessing is close to 39.I thought if I could build a 34 lb bike,I could get away with not getting an xc bike.

A 9.9 with enve wheels and bars w x/o cranks would be sick.

 

[eater]

if you whant a equivalent contrary or maybe a higher level Bike as the M9,
check the Banshee Legend MK2

Edit:
if you whant a equivalent contrary or maybe a higher level Bike as the M9,
check the Banshee Legend MK2


this on my m9 is 16.25Kg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Zxh4gvVmi2s/T6ZUGFvICiI/AAAAAAAABRU/iXA6apZXpxs/s1600/IMG_0201.JPG


and i luve my M9
ride G3 Middle Progression Middle Shock 9.5

 

[norbar]

if you whant a equivalent contrary or maybe a higher level Bike,
check the Banshee Legend MK2

???

Though I agree with a lot of ppl. With enve parts and retarded build you can have a sub 16kg on that m9. My legend (similar weight if I remember right) was 16.3kg at it's lowest and that was with a coil shock, saint brakes, wheels that could easily drop 100-200g if you go enve/easton, cranks that could loose 100-200g etc etc.

Also v10 and s9.9 are wildly different bikes. Though if you consider anything carbon I'd look into antidote bikes. Their new full carbon version is really really nice.

 

[Mo(n)arch]

Wasn't the antidote much more progressiv?
Is that really a comparsion to the M9's rock eating qualitys?

 

[SCARY]

What's the ride quality between the 9.9 and the m9?I have the shock in the most linear setting.
I think my lg M9 with a ti spring is around 10.8 lbs and the 9.9 is like 7.5 lbs with a steel spring?I mean you're not easily find that weight to make up elsewhere.That's a huge difference.

 

[SCARY]

???

Though I agree with a lot of ppl. With enve parts and retarded build you can have a sub 16kg on that m9. My legend (similar weight if I remember right) was 16.3kg at it's lowest and that was with a coil shock, saint brakes, wheels that could easily drop 100-200g if you go enve/easton, cranks that could loose 100-200g etc etc.

Also v10 and s9.9 are wildly different bikes. Though if you consider anything carbon I'd look into antidote bikes. Their new full carbon version is really really nice.

My choices would be limited to what I can get a really good deal on.

 

[Huck Banzai]

Almost identical geometry, how do you figure? The M9 has a 63.5* HT angle with a 13.6" BB height under static sag. The V10c has a 65* HT angle and 14.8" BB height (think red bull rampage circa 2001) in 10" mode under static sag.

Seriously? in 8.5 mode, the V10 and M9 have identical 64° HTA, identical min BB height of 14.2", although the CS is .05" longer on the V10. You dont get 63.5° on either without an AngleSet, and you dont get a 13.6" BB unless you run a 24".

Sagged under rider (regardless of travel setting), the geo is practically (literal use please) identical.

Definitely not the same bikes regardless, but whats with the hatefail?!

Nice try though.


[Specs pulled from Intense & SCB geo charts.]

 

[SCARY]

I couldn't run it if it were 13.6 bb.Thats what my 951 was and smashed into everything.We have alot of rocks.Alot.

 

[Mo(n)arch]

If you just want a lighter frame with almost the same ride characteristics as the M9, get the V10.
That's it, that's all.

 

[captainspauldin]

I'd be curious to see a stiffness/failure test for the v10,9.9 and m9, like that Santa Cruz video that was out not too long ago(comparing a carbon to a alu Blur I believe). Would be interesting to see the difference between the 3.

 

[BigBoi]

sharktopus vs. piranhaconda vs. crocosaurus

I gotta go with sharktopus because of the number of arms as well as a mean bite. However, sharktopus is limited to water and cannot spend much time on land at all. Maybe crocosaurus?

 

[jackalope]

^^

Much, much winning.

 

[norbar]

Wasn't the antidote much more progressiv?
Is that really a comparsion to the M9's rock eating qualitys?

The new 200mm travel version is supposedly more linear though still progressive. A friend uses a ccdb on it and tells me to prefer it over his older glory (also ccdb'ed)

 

[William42]

sharktopus vs. piranhaconda vs. crocosaurus

I gotta go with sharktopus because of the number of arms as well as a mean bite. However, sharktopus is limited to water and cannot spend much time on land at all. Maybe crocosaurus?

What he said.

Of those, the 9.9 is probably the most linear though.

 

[Dwdrums00]

Seriously? in 8.5 mode, the V10 and M9 have identical 64° HTA, identical min BB height of 14.2", although the CS is .05" longer on the V10. You dont get 63.5° on either without an AngleSet, and you dont get a 13.6" BB unless you run a 24".

Sagged under rider (regardless of travel setting), the geo is practically (literal use please) identical.

Definitely not the same bikes regardless, but whats with the hatefail?!

Nice try though.


[Specs pulled from Intense & SCB geo charts.]

You clearly have no clue what you are talking about.
The V10c in the 8.5" is not going to sag as much as the V10c in the 10" mode. You are comparing the V10c's geo in the 8.5" mode against the M9 in the 9.5" mode. In this situation the M9's dynamic sag will make for an even slacker/ lower sled. Not to mention the M9 is already much lower/slacker than the V10c in any mode under static sag.

I have an M9 and so does another buddy of mine. We run fox 40's, flush mounted headset, 2.5" Maxxis tires and we both have a 63.5* HT angle and 13.6" BB. My crowns are setup so I have 8.5" of exposed stanchions on my fork. Obviously the Intense geo chart is incorrect.

You may now go back to slobbing your boy IH8Rice's knob.

 

[Dwdrums00]

I'd be curious to see a stiffness/failure test for the v10,9.9 and m9, like that Santa Cruz video that was out not too long ago(comparing a carbon to a alu Blur I believe). Would be interesting to see the difference between the 3.

I haven't ridden the 9.9 so I really can't comment. Regarding the rear triangles lateral stiffness between the M9 and V10c, I have to give it up to the V10c. I imagine the 9.9 is on par with the V10c considering all the little tricks Trek uses to strengthen specific areas of the frame.

 

[p-spec]

installing boxlink on my m9 tonight

 

[Raingauge]

You can get the V10c down to 13.75" BB height in the 8.5" travel mode with the -1* head set installed. I bet I could have gotten it even lower if I dropped my crowns a little more.

 

[p-spec]

honnestly unless your a pro racer,or very serious about racing and have a nice budget.the m9 will be your best bet,not only is it the most ajustable bike out there,in the long run it will be mroe durable from crash's over the carbon bikes.

I love my m9 and wont trade it for anything.

However I tried my friends girls fuel 9.9 ABP,and at first I didn't beleive the system,until I actualy rode the bike and put the brakes on while rolling over ****,and I was SHOCKED and blown away.

the system really works like they claim it too.

I still like the VPP and I've been riding vpp bikes for a while now.I would love to ride a ABP session at bromont for a day and see how they compare.


All the bikes in your line up are high end bikes.,and im more then sure you would/will be happy on any of them.

 

[William42]

honnestly unless your a pro racer,or very serious about racing and have a nice budget.the m9 will be your best bet,not only is it the most ajustable bike out there,in the long run it will be mroe durable from crash's over the carbon bikes.

I love my m9 and wont trade it for anything.

However I tried my friends girls fuel 9.9 ABP,and at first I didn't beleive the system,until I actualy rode the bike and put the brakes on while rolling over ****,and I was SHOCKED and blown away.

the system really works like they claim it too.

I still like the VPP and I've been riding vpp bikes for a while now.I would love to ride a ABP session at bromont for a day and see how they compare.


All the bikes in your line up are high end bikes.,and im more then sure you would/will be happy on any of them.

I keep expecting to not be blown away by how dumb you are, because I figure I'll get used to it, but you keep blowing my mind.

You were shocked that a bike that is designed to have low amounts of brake squat didn't have very much brake squat?

 

[norbar]

I'm more surprised he still thinks v10c isn't durable.

 

[Tetreault]

37lb M9 isn't a hard build, my buddy has his at 36.3

likewise a 35 pound build isn't hard with a v10c or a 9.9.... this statement is ambiguous

Almost identical geometry, how do you figure? The M9 has a 63.5* HT angle with a 13.6" BB height under static sag. The V10c has a 65* HT angle and 14.8" BB height (think red bull rampage circa 2001) in 10" mode under static sag.

SIZE MEDIUM

V10C 8.5" setting - M9 8.5" setting
23.6" - 23" (Top Tube)
17.5" - 17.25-17.75 (Chain stay)
64 - 64 (Head angle)
46.4 - 46.5 (Wheel base)​

Of coarse its going to be different in real life, different headsets, tires, crown heights, and personal sag will all take into account "real world" geometry, but from static numbers, and from two frames that use an identical suspension system, it's hard if not impossible to find two frames that will ride so similar

If you just want a lighter frame with almost the same ride characteristics as the M9, get the V10.
That's it, that's all.

end of discussion

 

[p-spec]

I keep expecting to not be blown away by how dumb you are, because I figure I'll get used to it, but you keep blowing my mind.

You were shocked that a bike that is designed to have low amounts of brake squat didn't have very much brake squat?

Wen you put the brake on and push on it you feel the brake jack,wen you ride the bike you dont feel ****.

but your oviously an engineer and know everything without riding anything.

I'm a ****ing idiot

 

[-BB-]

Lets keep it civil here guys or some of your posts will be edited in ways you don't like.

 

[kidwithbike]

I'm a ****ing idiot

At least you finally realized!

 

[Huck Banzai]

You clearly have no clue what you are talking about.
The V10c in the 8.5" is not going to sag as much as the V10c in the 10" mode. You are comparing the V10c's geo in the 8.5" mode against the M9 in the 9.5" mode. In this situation the M9's dynamic sag will make for an even slacker/ lower sled. Not to mention the M9 is already much lower/slacker than the V10c in any mode under static sag.

I have an M9 and so does another buddy of mine. We run fox 40's, flush mounted headset, 2.5" Maxxis tires and we both have a 63.5* HT angle and 13.6" BB. My crowns are setup so I have 8.5" of exposed stanchions on my fork. Obviously the Intense geo chart is incorrect.

You may now go back to slobbing your boy IH8Rice's knob.

Reality is not subjective.

What does IH8Rice have to do with me?


Negative Rep for belligerent stupidity.

 

[IH8Rice]

You may now go back to slobbing your boy IH8Rice's knob.

and how did i get brought into this??


jackass

 

[Tetreault]

where this thread has gone

People, bikes, and a wet glory hole of abyss

 

[William42]

I'm a ****ing idiot

you don't need to tell me how it rides, i'm pretty familiar how abp feels, what with owning a session and having fairly extensive ride time on multiple remedies from 08-12.

But I'm glad you are catching on.

 

[SCARY]

Hey azzholes,knock it off,or get off my thread!Jackwads.

 

[Dwdrums00]

Reality is not subjective.

I suppose angle sets and Fox 40's are the exclusive domain of M9's?

And what does IH8Rice have to do with me?


Negative Rep for belligerent stupidity.

My geometry numbers are fact and are without an anglset or offset shock hardware.

There wasn't a specific notion why IH8Rice was brought up; aside from the fact that he rides an M9 and is your butt buddy.

Did you actually say you "Negative Rep" me? Does that really mean something in your commiserable little eWorld?

 

[norbar]

and how did i get brought into this??


jackass

I've heard Brian Lopes mentioned it to him while parking on Jon's parking place

 

[SCARY]

OH KAAAAY!....jeez........ anyone ride a 9.9 and an m9?

 

[jonKranked]

My geometry numbers are fact

I want a head angle of sqrt(-1)

 

[brocelif]

I have raced these bikes in the MSC - Last gen. v10, m6, 951, Supreme, 2011 Demo, Trek 9.9 carbon. I loved the Intense's cornering , but the suspension systems each had issues (M6 too linear, 951 silly progressive). The Demo suspension was impressive, but I never felt that comfortable cornering (my style and the short back/long front). All these bikes weighed around 37.5 pounds (tubeless, Deemax etc.). My Trek 9.9 is under 33 pounds with similar parts. The suspension is comparable to the Demo's. The BB is not slammed like the Intense's but at 13.85 (my measurement) with a great balance it corners well. The light weight makes jumping and maneuverability ridiculous.