Low BB Enduro bikes

Mo(n)arch · Apr 28, 2014

^^This. That trailbike looks like fun actually.
Also, does Antidote a trailbike?

Edit: Why not a new Radon Slide Carbon 650b?
66,8° HA
-14mm BB drop
435,5mm CS length

http://www.radon-bikes.de/xist4c/web/Slide-Carbon-160-650B-Series-2014_id_25543_.htm

supercow · Apr 28, 2014

norbar said:
I was not a fan of their build quality 5 years ago but supposedly a lot has changed. Need to talk to Paweł about it though it is a bit crude in the looks dept.

Somewhat crude, but I like it a lot and think it adds to the bike's charm.

Saw a pic of a custom Geo one at a YOLOduro race not too long ago, that looked amazing. Think it was some Kiwi racer - will see if I can find it.

EDIT:
Was easy enough to find
http://enduro-mtb.com/en/first-look-pimp-your-ride-zumbi-f-11-custom-geometry-framesets/

Sandwich · Apr 28, 2014

The zumbi has some weird kinematics according to linkage. 400% as at top out. Might pedal a bit wonky, but I love the straight tubes and vertical seat tube.

ocelot · Apr 28, 2014

Banshee Rune V2?
You have the option of running 26" or 650b by swapping dropouts.

From the reviews that I've read on it, it seems like a pretty aggro trail bike. Definitely more of a descender than a climber. I be mad tempted to get this yo.

Mo(n)arch · Apr 29, 2014

Spitfire? You mentioned beofre that a full on Enderpo might be too much for you...
BB height can vary between 340mm and 352mm with 650b.

Jm_ · Apr 29, 2014

HardtailHack said:
Foes 275, 13.1" BB height, everyone on here seems to hate them, I'd ride this-

Dear god why? There are so many better designs out there. Although foes makes stiff bikes, riding a foes taught me that a stiff bike means little if the suspension sucks, and while the suspension is probably "ok", there is much better available with DWs, split pivots, maestros, etc...

supercow · Apr 29, 2014

For what it's worth - the Banshee spitfire is the most fun bike I've ever owned. You need to pry it out of my cold dead hands to take her off me. My poor DH bike sits in the garage unloved. In fact, it's becoming so popular at my local DH spot, with loads of us preferring to do DH days with it, rather than the sleds.

I feel it's a more capable bike than the Rune - having ridden them side by side, the Spittty has more cockpit room and felt more stable. Don;t really know whether or not it has a low BB, all I know is that I stopped over analysing every single geo number, grabbed the Spitty recommended for my height and having the time of my life on it.

HardtailHack · Apr 29, 2014

Jm_ said:
Dear god why? There are so many better designs out there. Although foes makes stiff bikes, riding a foes taught me that a stiff bike means little if the suspension sucks, and while the suspension is probably "ok", there is much better available with DWs, split pivots, maestros, etc...

I don't really understand the Split Pivot, it's still just a single pivot that looks like a way around paying royalties to the Mongoose/GT camp but it's DW so it the best thing since the last DW linkage.

If it's a single pivot with the bits in the right spots and a decent leverage curve it should work ok? It has the minimal amount of pivot points to make it work which is nice for a lazy person like me. I'm really not a good enough rider to push the frame to it's limits so as long as the geo is what I'm after I'm not all that worried about the current trend in pivots.

Verskis · Apr 29, 2014

Split pivot is a single pivot with a linkage actuated shock and a floating brake. It is a neat way to integrate all that into a relatively simple package, but in my opinion it is way overhyped.

Does the marketing speech violate any Specialized patents?

I think the exact same sentences has been used for selling FSR bikes:
"SPLIT-PIVOT separates acceleration forces from braking forces in the suspension The system reduces excess suspension compression due to acceleration forces, and at the same time reduces excess compression due to braking forces."

Beef Supreme · Apr 29, 2014

Verskis said:
Split pivot is a single pivot with a linkage actuated shock and a floating brake. It is a neat way to integrate all that into a relatively simple package, but in my opinion it is way overhyped.

Does the marketing speech violate any Specialized patents? I think the exact same sentences has been used for selling FSR bikes:
"SPLIT-PIVOT separates acceleration forces from braking forces in the suspension The system reduces excess suspension compression due to acceleration forces, and at the same time reduces excess compression due to braking forces."

The advantages of the split pivot design are similar to the advantages of the FSR design.

Beef Supreme · Apr 29, 2014

norbar said:
Is the axle path of the split pivot still a part of a circle? If yes then FSR gives you more design options.

True, but the change in axle path on FSR bikes is minor in most cases.

jackalope · Apr 29, 2014

How is an axle path not part of a circle?

troy · Apr 29, 2014

Devinci Troy? 27,5" 67ha 337mm bb in low setting.

'size · Apr 29, 2014

jackalope said:
How is an axle path not part of a circle?

ask yeti.

kidwoo · Apr 29, 2014

jackalope said:
How is an axle path not part of a circle?

instant center brah! instant center!

jonKranked · Apr 29, 2014

jackalope said:
How is an axle path not part of a circle?

magic.

yd35 · Apr 29, 2014

jonKranked said:
magic.

tony ellsworth is a magician?

jackalope · Apr 29, 2014

Yes, because:

a.) he's still in business

b.) Spesh didn't/couldn't lawyer up on him

Suck on that Copperfield (altho he did bag a nice piece with his, umm, illusions)

And screw both you and kidwoo for making me sit through a video of Tony "explaining" how ICT works...That's 10 IQ points I can't ever get back..

wiscodh · Apr 29, 2014

jackalope said:
Yes, because:

a.) he's still in business

b.) Spesh didn't/couldn't lawyer up on him

Suck on that Copperfield (altho he did bag a nice piece with his, umm, illusions)

And screw both you and kidwoo for making me sit through a video of Tony "explaining" how ICT works...That's 10 IQ points I can't ever get back..

Illusion, Michael. A trick is something a whore does for money...

kidwoo · Apr 29, 2014

jackalope said:
Yes, because:

a.) he's still in business

b.) Spesh didn't/couldn't lawyer up on him

Suck on that Copperfield (altho he did bag a nice piece with his, umm, illusions)

And screw both you and kidwoo for making me sit through a video of Tony "explaining" how ICT works...That's 10 IQ points I can't ever get back..

Hey now, I never said shlt about ellsworth. It's not like he invented the concept or anything. Like Michael Jackson, you should be looking at that man in the mirror.

jackalope · Apr 29, 2014

norbar said:
Easy. It's the case for every virtual pivot point bike. If the pivot point is moving it's a curve but not a circle. How is that news?

I guess I misunderstood what you meant by "part of a circle", which in interpreted to be a "curve".

Mo(n)arch · Apr 30, 2014

Hey norbar, did you already see the new Wicked 650b lineup? BB height is a little high, but nothing you can't fix with an offset bushing... Great prices too...
http://www.yt-industries.com/shop/de/Bikes/Trail

Samoto · Apr 30, 2014

Parts of Wicked Pro look not bad

SuboptimusPrime · Apr 30, 2014

I'll agree with Supercow that the spitfire is worth a look, particularly if you want slack/low. It gives up 20mm in travel to the Rune, but with a Pike and CCDBa it really is so capable and fun that I don't see how additional travel would change things in a meaningful way other than to make it less nimble and/or more of a chore to pedal. ie I've never been contemplating a jump or line choice and said to myself "I'd totally do that if only I had another 20mm travel..."

slimshady · Apr 30, 2014

norbar said:
I'm thinking about the spitty. Though the you don't need extra 20mm travel argument is infinitely regresive and using it I could as well buy a hardtail

Also I've been looking at the Alutech Teibun. Seems nice given the competitive price. Though not as good as the Propain, YT or Canyon.

Get the gearbox-equipped Fanes! we all want a real world review on those beauties.

Now to answer your questions (sorry, I haven't been around the Forum much lately) my friend got the 26 inches Propain Tyee. Medium size. For me it felt quite good, maybe a bit short on the reach.

kickstand · Apr 30, 2014

norbar said:
Is this GT also stupid long?

Rocky Mountains are apparently very good but I need to ask my friend what problems he had with his because I remember him being not too satisfied with it.

In comparison to my aforementioned specialized stumpjumper I hated the rocky mountain Altitude 650b.

Spent a week on it, probably at this point have about double the miles on my stumpjumper as I put on the altitude.

My wife also feels the same way. She is riding 140mm fork, 140mm rear travel stumpyjumper with same build as mine. Outside of the fact that I have a 150mm fork.

Neither one of us liked the ride of the altitude. I can not tell you why from a technical standpoint, other than neither of us ever felt "at home" on the bike. In comparison I jumped on a Transition Covert for about 30 minutes during that week and immediately felt at home on the Covert, then got back on the altitude and didn't like it.

wydopen · Apr 30, 2014

If i wasnt getting a megatrail id get that gt..

thing looks fast

SuboptimusPrime · Apr 30, 2014

norbar said:
I'm thinking about the spitty. Though the you don't need extra 20mm travel argument is infinitely regresive and using it I could as well buy a hardtail

Fair point, I guess what I meant was that I think the spitfire hits above it's weight in terms of gnar eating capability. I definitely believe that teh travelz make up for my numerous inadequacies as a rider.

You have a ton of neat choices, many of which I have never seen or heard of being isolated in 'murka. I'll be interested to see where you end up regardless.

HardtailHack · May 1, 2014

Nicolai Ion 16 27.5 is lower than I expected, -15mm they even have a leverage curve chart in the specs.
Might go a bit over budget?
http://www.nicolai.net/152-1-ION+16+275.html

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0ApNhXyVGHlPldDVmc3JxeHI4LVFGa0hoblF5anM2eFE&single=true&gid=60&output=html

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0ApNhXyVGHlPldGFYODlPbnZseTJVWFptUVoxSV9oTHc&single=true&gid=8&output=html

StiHacka · May 1, 2014

I like that Ion 16 a lot.

How about the new Spesh SJ EVO 650b? 150mm of travel, 12.8" static BB height, 68* HA. :think:

Nah, sounds like a pretty messed up geo to me.

jackalope · May 1, 2014

Not that it hasn't been discussed ad nauseum in reference to BB height, but its worth recognizing that rim profile, tire profile/model, and fork model can have a measurable effect on BB height.

StiHacka · May 1, 2014

Yep but since the front triangle of the SJ 650b is the same as of the SJ 29er, the BB drop must be quite enormous.

blindboxx2334 · May 1, 2014

while were on this subject, im looking at a nuke mega tr frame.. it says the bb is +0.

where does that stand in today's mtb world? im looking for a decent all around frame.

edit:
im also considering the AM (more aggressive version) that has a BB of +9.6.

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