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Gun Control

Discussion in 'Politics & World News' started by Beef Supreme, Dec 14, 2012.

  1. H8R Cranky Pants

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    an apostrophe! Holy sh1t! It's a christmas miracle!
  2. Pesqueeb bicycle in airplane hangar

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    Are you stalking him? Gonna give him the 10" dildo?
  3. AngryMetalsmith Business is good, thanks for asking

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    Hey Amazon-

    We've been arguing with you for a few days now and while most of us on here have been postig long enough to know a little bit about each other, we nothing about you. So in the spirit of good holiday tidings why don't you tell us a little bit about yourself. You know stuff like age, profession, home state, what kind of riding you like to do. That sort of thing. So how bout it ?
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  5. H8R Cranky Pants

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    I think he's either Hello Kitty or justsomeguy. If he isn't a reincarnation of either, the similarities are quite peculiar. But we didn't know much about those guys either, other than they were total dicks.
  6. pinkshirtphotos site moron

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    guns are only the reason we have homosexuals and guitars
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  7. AngryMetalsmith Business is good, thanks for asking

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    Back to defend your custom title I see.
  8. pinkshirtphotos site moron

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    oh yesh you also you know the only reason we have bullets is because of guns. No gun has ever killed anybody the bullet has. Any gun is an assault weapon, calling guns assault weapons is like saying pennies are assault weapons because they're metal or a stick is an assault weapon since they bludgeoned your cranium. Blame gravity and intents.
  9. www.amazon.com New Member

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    Yep. No just wondering if you are because I have heard mention of your RM name. An anwser would be nice.

    H8R I am far from a 'total dick'..You dont know me and should not make assumptions as I shouldn't either. I find it funny that you call me a dick aswell when you were (along with others) decided to start attacking me because I like guns and you guys do not. I also don't know who Hello Kitty is or justsomeguy.

    AMS-Sounds good..I am 22, ride my bicycle downhill, going to school for...digital media, business or kinesiology. Orginally was criminal justice but changed it. From the 808...Care to tell me about yourself? You know in holiday spirit?

    I would still like this account to be deleted. Please.

    And finally: "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
    Thomas Jefferson
  10. H8R Cranky Pants

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    Dude, you really suck at things like reasoning and context.
  11. www.amazon.com New Member

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    Reasoning about what? Firearms. Nope not really, the only thing that should be done is look more into someones background and make it harder to buy at gunshows and what not. While it seems like some of you want a complete ban on everything because of the school shooting. I dont see people asking for a ban on alcohol or tobacco which are responsible for a good ammount of deaths.
    See here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/11/alcohol-related-deaths-_n_821900.html

    "Alcohol causes nearly 4 percent of deaths worldwide, more than AIDS, tuberculosis or violence, the World Health Organization warned on Friday."

    and...
    "Yet alcohol control policies are weak and remain a low priority for most governments despite drinking's heavy toll on society from road accidents, violence, disease, child neglect and job absenteeism, it said.

    Approximately 2.5 million people die each year from alcohol related causes, the WHO said in its "Global Status Report on Alcohol and Health."

    "The harmful use of alcohol is especially fatal for younger age groups and alcohol is the world's leading risk factor for death among males aged 15-59," the report found.

    In Russia and the Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS), every fifth death is due to harmful drinking, the highest rate."

    And yes I know it is worldwide that's not the point. The point is how many people it kills yet no one is trying to create stricter regulation on it.

    Context, of what you are writting to me? Please explain.
  12. Beef Supreme Active Member

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  13. H8R Cranky Pants

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    Holy sh1t, it's working. You framed something in the context of the conversation that is possibly comparable! There is hope. (no there isn't)

    Having lost so many friends and a few relatives to booze, I think it should also be more heavily regulated and taxed up the wazoo. And we should finally find a treatment program nationally that actually works and doesn't require you to suck up to god, unlike AA.

    But like guns it's culturally ingrained. And, lot's of really, really ugly and stupid people would never get laid without it. And it makes some people into billionaires. And like guns, it makes a lot of pussies feel tough. So it's not going anywhere.

    Good comparison though.
  14. www.amazon.com New Member

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    I already made the point about alcohol and it was ignored.
  15. H8R Cranky Pants

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    Delivery, son. Delivery.
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    From the gun control Wikipedia article:

    In short, there was no significant correlation between national gun ownership rates and the total number of people murdered or the total number who killed themselves.[4]
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    Amazon and H8R,

    Just because both things have caused death, you really can't treat them the same way.... If so, guns would in fact be banned in a public setting-- you would have places where you could go and handle and look at and show your guns (just like bars) but you couldn't legally drive home after getting high on your 'gun night'. Can't walk either-- gun high in public (public drunkenness equivalent). etc. etc. etc. Sure you can buy and spin the chambers of all of the guns you want (in your home or in a designated establishment), but there will be no tolerance for inconveniencing society with your good times. Is this what we want?

    Some dogs bite, some kids bite-- should we have "leash only" areas for our kids?

    Because two things have some similar attributes, treating them the same is silly and illogical.
  18. syadasti i heart mac

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    Wikipedia has no formally recognized peer reviewed, even children in grade school know this.

    Harvard does though, and these are meta-analysis, not a single study which you cannot draw any conclusion from:

    Suicide:
    http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/research/hicrc/firearms-research/gun-ownership-and-use/index.html

    Homicide followed by Suicide:
    http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/researc...rch/gun-possession-storage-and-use/index.html
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    Chris Rock had a bit years ago about making the bullets really expensive... Something about if a guy gets shot, he really deserved it was the punch line.

    In all honesty, why not? Expensive ammo would make people consider their shots-- hunters would be less likely to take an 'un-ethical' shot, Rubber bullets (Cheaper) would be fine range day fodder, and mass murders would likely decrease if it meant a 1500.00 or 2000.00 dollar investment to load the magazine.
  20. H8R Cranky Pants

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    Never said they should be treated the same, I was throwing amazon a bone because it's the first correlation he's made that made a lick of sense (even if it was a stretch)
  21. H8R Cranky Pants

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    Tax the sh1t out of em, proceeds go to offset the cost of public mental health access.
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    Yep, think of the tax revenue. Make bullets way more expensive than cigarettes. Of course, there are lots of "home reloaders", and I'm not sure how you'd deal with that. They make rounds so cheap it should have some sort of regulation IMO, not to mention how much concentrated heavy metal it throws back into the ground.
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    :rofl:
    http://www.imperatorfish.com/2012/12/a-message-from-nra.html

  24. www.amazon.com New Member

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    H8R I ain't your son so eat a dick. You really think making rounds expensive should stop someone from killing another person? If a person wants to kill someone their going to do it. You think they care about how much they spent on a round when their in prison or dead. Dumb ****.

    You know ccw stop a lot of shootings? Right? I doubt it though.
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    Well, if it costs more, only real rich people can afford to just stockpile rounds, and they are probably happier to start with, since they are rich and have access to healthcare and services, so probably less probability of them going crazy and trying to wipe out a bunch of people. I'm thinking $20/round, unless it's at a range for the purpose of shooting on that day, then they can be market value. $4000 to stockpile 200 rounds. That seems fair to me. If you can't hit your target with just 10 rounds, you don't deserve to have a gun. And if half the country had 10 rounds each, we'd have enough to kill off the entire country, military and all, 5 times over. Buy any gun you want.

    Amazon, we've had mass shootings in a lot of places, not just schools, and in fact there were armed guards that exchanged gunfire at once of those mass shootings. Please show me where any CCW carrier has stopped a mass-shooting. Then prove there's a real relationship in the numbers, if they exist.
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  26. www.amazon.com New Member

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    How can a mass shooting be stopped if it doesn't even start? $20? You're on crack.
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    Dare to quantify "a lot"? How do those numbers compare to criminal incidents where people are raped, intimidated, or robbed with a gun pointed in there faces?

    Statistically it is much easier to keep track of gun related deaths. A gun owner is 30% more likely to kill someone accidentally than they are to kill someone in the process of stopping a crime. A gun owner is more than 10 times more likely to use one to commit suicide than they are to use one in stopping a crime.
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    OH MY GOD! That's the most sense you've made this entire thread! Pat yourself on the back and have a beer (I know I'm going to! An Orval, right after I warm it up)

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  29. www.amazon.com New Member

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    Don't understand that picture
  30. Pesqueeb bicycle in airplane hangar

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    Pretty sure that's not the only thing.
  31. H8R Cranky Pants

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    Stay in school, don't do drugs.
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    Right..because I don't understand a picture on the Internet..
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  34. H8R Cranky Pants

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    All I can say is:

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    H8R: I hope you and I can get a beer sometime.
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    Terrible but not uncommon actually. My brother has been shot at while responding to a structure fire.
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    Arm all firefighters!
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  40. JohnE filthy rascist

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    Hence the logic behind gun control...if it never starts there is no need tostop it. You have now embraced gun control.