Looks like Alchemy is entering the "ENDURO" market. Those of you that are not familiar they are one of the few bike makers that does Carbon in the USA. They have won multiple awards over the years for smaller builders at the NAHBS. They make insane road bikes. I am waiting to hear on the geo it looks slack here but they will have more out soon about it. MSRP is gonna be $3700....
Alchemy's New MTB
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Looks like Alchemy is entering the "ENDURO" market. Those of you that are not familiar they are one of the few bike makers that does Carbon in the USA. They have won multiple awards over the years for smaller builders at the NAHBS. They make insane road bikes. I am waiting to hear on the geo it looks slack here but they will have more out soon about it. MSRP is gonna be $3700....
http://www.vitalmtb.com/photos/features/2016-Trail-and-Enduro-Bikes-at-Interbike,9423/Alchemy-Arktos,97846/sspomer,2
Looks like GEO is out. I would need to run a -.5 or -1 maybe in it I think....
Looks like GEO is out. I would need to run a -.5 or -1 maybe in it I think....
448 reach on xl?
What is the reasoning behind steeping the headtube in the larger sizes?
Less wheelbase, moar playful?
VPDW suspension...
Eh....
so they kind of copied the yeti switch link but made it worse to skip the patent? Does anybody listen to riders?
Ahh yes, the venerable Bob Segar "Night Moves" leverage curve. Definitely needs a goodly amount of mid-bounce support.
It's the same guy behind them all, Dave Earle. The mastermind of Sotto Group, so no surprise he's selling subtle variations of his short-lower-link VP contraption...
i knew it was the same guy, so I don't know why I thought he had to bypass his own patent. Creative stuff from the sotto group no matter how you slice it.
Particularly interesting as, according to the article, he was also the one who developed IP pertaining to the VPP link at Santa Cruz, then went on to Yeti to develop the Switch system, which allegedly failed to sufficiently circumnavigate the Santa Cruz patents, hence Switch Infinity. Guess he's hoping he's done a better job circumnavigating those patents this time around...
The lower one looks like a forward link to me, being held at the frame with a thru axle in the back and then bolted to the swingarm by its sides at the front... Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
^This.
There are a few other pics on google images showing the area in question.
If that's the case, then it's the same as this design (with different shock actuation):
http://www.ridemonkey.com/threads/new-suspensiony-things.272450/#post-4049994
So that was the one this reminded me of... Good catch, I couldn't put my finger on it. I guess the patent litigation would go between Currie and Earle this time. For some reason I recalled Earle as being involved with the Speedgoat bike. Now I know it wasn't the best reason at all...
Well, probably not an overseas catalog frame with a slight mod if it's made here in the US, but it seems to have other retardedness going on.
On a related note, this DVO stanchion is goddamn delicious.
On a related note, this DVO stanchion is goddamn delicious.
About the similarities between Alchemy and the SpeedGoat proto, this was taken from DirtRagMag:
DirtRagMag said:
Seems odd that they only make the front triangles here...
Where did you see that the rear is not made in Colorado?
In an effort to redirect people's attention from the Alchemy's (highly) questionable kinematics, I will put this abomination here -
In an effort to redirect people's attention from the Alchemy's (highly) questionable kinematics, I will put this abomination here -
Reminds me of...In an effort to redirect people's attention from the Alchemy's (highly) questionable kinematics, I will put this abomination here -
Ok, you win...let's talk about "~" shaped leverage curves again.
Which, now that I look at the similarities between ~ and the LC, maybe it approximates a suspension in that it goes up and down. So yeah, take that SCB marketing team and your S shaped axle path!
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Jesus who designed this curve? Ellsworth's customer service?Eh....
I like the yellow thing from above though.
Yeah, not ideal - however if you look at the actual change it's ~10% from top out to sag, same with bottom out. It could be a lot worse. The new Bronson is also much more linear overall then the previous model; slightly less unrideable I guess.
It's all rideable given todays shocks but it's just sad that for the huge amounts of money we pay for our silly sport some companies don't bother to do basic suspension theory research (or high school physics tbh). Still looking at SC and Intense how is the VPP patent phrased? It seems very strane that all of their leverage curves look like a tit. I want to be nice and think that's because they don't want to infringe on other pantents and their is somehow limited to tit shapes.Yeah, not ideal - however if you look at the actual change it's ~10% from top out to sag, same with bottom out. It could be a lot worse. The new Bronson is also much more linear overall then the previous model; slightly less unrideable I guess.
i'm waiting for the cosine leverage curve
