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650b coming sooner than we think?

Discussion in 'Downhill & Freeride' started by Tomasis, Nov 28, 2012.

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    Absofukkinglutely! :D

    I just say the same thing about 29ers too. ;)

    Nice riding in that klunker vid by the way. You and lars and the fellers were killing it.

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    ahahaha.

    Lars is good at bikes, it really does not matter what bike it is.
    Thanks for the props, but my only memorable clip was crashing into everyone..... video was pretty funny.
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    I figured the brakes you guys had on those things were pretty awesome.
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    Everything would be much easier if it wasn't for Carbon fiber. Lots of companies are stuck with 26'' carbon molds, but in a couple of years, when it's time to change them you can go 27.5'' without too much problem.
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    Or you are smart like Intense and just offer new dropouts.
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    anybody [else] do the math on this one yet?
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    Not sure bike math is my strength but my novice thinking was that just doing new drop outs will not yield optimal geo?

    Also not many people talk about size of wheels and how a persons height can influence the right wheel size choice. Plenty of wheel size options for kids and I do not understand why the same applies for adults? Most of the talk I see is small people talking about how 29r are perfect for them and there is no correlation between height and wheel size choice.
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    Yeah, Banshee and Carver too and they both think it is a great idea and offer this for their frames as well. ;) :D
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    Thank you. So many people riding over rocks on 29er XC bikes in PHX that previously used/required agressive FR/AM bikes to tame the same terrain.

    How about pinning some rough turn at speed because your wheel and bike won't be kicked around as much? Sounds like fun.
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    Holy hell - I picked the wrong morning to open RM.

    going back into hiding...
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    AGGHHHHH!!!!


    Zombie!!
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    Until it folds in half? (says the guy who never ridden a big wheel because they're weird and probably smell funny)
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    Recently told to me bya small builder when I inquired about getting a custom 26" frame.

    "Here's the thing: high-end 26" product will not be supported in the future past 2 or 3 years.


    It's done except for DJ bikes, within 2 or 3 seasons all DH bikes will be 650b too.


    650b is absolutely head and shoulders better in every way for what you want, trust me.

    repeat: ordering a 26" bike in 2013 is a bad idea."

    I'm still of the opinion of JohnP with 26", 8sp (well, I run 9sp) and Grip Shift forever.... But, might be backed into a corner and have to go tweener in a couple of years I guess.
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    Santa Cruz rep told me yesterday they will be on a nomadish type bike with 6 inches and be out mid season. Possibly fox.
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    an 140mm-150mm travel, 67.5-68.5 degree headtube 27.5 bike would be ideal
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    http://www.turnerbikes.com/2013-turner-bike-models/burner/turner-burner-frame


    And that's just the one I can mention off the top of my head. Scott will be all up in that as well. Actually I think you're going to have a really hard time NOT seeing that exact bike you describe everywhere next year.
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    What, so they are just gonna stop making DH rims and tires in 26"? If so I'm seriously going to burn down something.
  18. Sandwich just shake your rump

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    17.6" chainstays...there goes the reason for having 650b over 29" wheels. I was super excited about that bike, especially in polished :drool:
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    Yup.......that's longer than the DHR. It'll climb a little more planted but that's what you get when people insist on those big balloon tires for trailbikes and big wheels.
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    Let them stop introducing new stuff in 26". All the fashion victims will be buying 27.5 bikes and nearly new 26" bikes will be in the classifieds for cheap. Can't wait! :weee: :D
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    The dorco stRange comes in at 16.8", with big ol honkin tires. same with the sight (140mm).

    The turner was a design choice, not constraint, from my understanding.
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    Doubt that. Why would they, when there will still be people riding 26ers that are buying spares?
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    i think we'd have an easy time finding enough people who still want 26" stuff to scrape up enough $$$ to call china or taiwan and have whatever we want made.
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    this all sounds like manufacturers are trying to convince consumers that 26" is dead, hoping they will start buying 650b's thus 'proving' that it's what the consumer wants.
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    and then in a few years they'll push 26" again as "retro" :rolleyes:
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    I don't have a problem with the wheel size, I'll ride whatever is around. I will beat a bunch of dorks most of the time until someone who's actually fast beats me.

    I have a problem with the horribly inorganic method in which its going. Tide changes just seem so disingenuous.

    Also bummer for dealers having to stock another entire gd wheel line. Blows for them in an already terribly diluted retail market. What is 650b was the magic wheel size but it killed all the bike shops? :O

    Me wants 5" 27'r if they're going to do it...
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    You only get beat by slow people now?
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    High-End 26" bikes are already dead on the retail floor, and they have been for a few years in most markets.
    Walk into your average shop and try to find a high end 26" bike or part. There aren't any.

    That's not a conspiracy, it's just that nobody wants to buy 26" bikes any more.
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    LBS stocks butchers and minions in 26 x 2.5. Also hillbillys.
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    Guess I'm nobody. Then again, I rarely step foot inside a bike shop.
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    This is surely not true in NC, nor was it the case when I went to Colorado a few months ago. It may be the case in New England where everyone thinks they need 36" wheels and 18" high BB's, but you still see plenty of 26" bikes in the shops, being sold, and on the trails around here.
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    Ding ding ding!
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    since i moved from New England to the PNW, i hardly see any 29ers. Everyone seems stoked on "little" wheels. the shops i roll into stock more 26 crap than 29er by a large margin. 29ers seem like a NE, midwest, and xc racer thing.


    Very few people rode the OR enduro series on a 29
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    26ers are still the norm in the rest of the world as well, and Europe is pretty big market.

    The tide is changing in Europe though...it won't be long.
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    Regions definitely have different trends but as a whole 29er sales are up something like 110% from '11 to '12. 26" inch bikes were also up but only about 10-15% if I remember correctly. There were also a couple quotes in one of the latest Bicycle Retailers where shop owners and a couple bike manufacturers said that 29er sales were the biggest reason for having a positive sales year. I think they're hoping to have the same results with the 650b movement over the next few years.

    Nearly every industry is cyclical. Moments of stagnant retail sales often have to be shaken up by dramatic changes. In 10 years we'll all be bitching about how they're switching to 675C sized wheels or something...
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    I hear a lot of beginners going straight for 29ers. Not that fully understand the benefits and negatives of 29" wheels and want them anyways, but they "hear they're better" and that's what the shop has. People who start out on 29ers are unlikely to gravitate towards 26ers, I think, unless they get into the more hardcore realm of the sport.
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    i love people who exaggerate things :)

    hello, 650b is it that we talk about. 1.5" or 0,75" increase from centrum.
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    There it is again.


    'most markets' = the last 3 shops mickey walked into :rofl:


    Those shops sell fixies too don't they? DON'T THEY!!????
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    Not even. Closer to 1" than 1.5".
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    ok now i understand less of hitting panic button of some people :D wheels with bigger 2,7" tires comparable to 650b with smaller tires. if we look at cars, they use thinner diameter of tires but increased rim sizes. It is not that I compare cars to bikes, but what if tire manufactures produce more strong sidewalls with better dampening effect on increased width of rim aka mavic 729.
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