[djjohnr]

Was there any announcement about this? 190mm, 64 deg HA, 74 deg SA, 13.35 BB and perfect reach and stack numbers (for me). I think I'm going to have to buy one of these.

http://intensecycles.com/bikes/uzzi

 

[ianjenn]

Interesting for sure.... can you pedal the damn thing?

 

[jstuhlman]

No but as someone who has ridden my unrideable 2009 uzzi as my do it all bike for 6 years I say

FUCK YEAH!

 

[StiHacka]

Boost.

 

[RayB]

I would totally ride the shit out of this clearly-unrideable bike.


Glad they killed the [truly unrideable] 951 and made this instead.

 

[HAB]

[truly unrideable] 951

I rented one of those once, God it sucked. It has to have the most fucked up leverage curve of anything mainstream-ish in the last 5+ years.

 

[4130biker]

I rented one of those once, God it sucked. It has to have the most fucked up leverage curve of anything mainstream-ish in the last 5+ years.

A bunch of local guys drank the 951 Kool-Aid, so weird.

 

[Trasselkalle]

Zomg. It's not even enduro. It's super-enduro! (At least according to their own marketing...)

But in all seriousness, I'd certainly be curious to try one if I lived anywhere where I wouldn't get lift-access. Sounds like a pipedream.

 

[Mo(n)arch]

I rented one of those once, God it sucked. It has to have the most fucked up leverage curve of anything mainstream-ish in the last 5+ years.

I thought the 27,5 version was way better in the LR-department?

 

[iRider]

I can't get over the hunchback TT though. Already looked weird on the Spider 275 (and all Mondrakers).
951 is an OK park bike, supple in the beginning to take out the braking bumps and then progressive for the jumps.

 

[HAB]

I thought the 27,5 version was way better in the LR-department?

If it was, the 26 version must have been abysmal. My rental was a 27.5.

 

[kidwoo]

If it was, the 26 version must have been abysmal.

It was.

 

[HAB]

According to linkage they're about the same.

Total change in the leverage ratio is about the same. The old one hits the highest leverage ratio a little earlier in the travel.

 

[djjohnr]

Dude, everyone knows progressiver is betterer.

 

[kidwoo]

Those are definitely not the same.

Numbers matter.

 

[HAB]

Those are definitely not the same.

Numbers matter.

I said "about". They're not identical, but they're pretty close. Plus we're talking about numbers from linkage, which isn't exactly the most accurate thing ever. The differences are probably within the error range of some dude clicking on points on a picture that probably isn't taken perfectly normal to the plane of the frame.

Key points:

• The Evo leverage ratio starts a little lower (3.25 vs 3.45).
• The leverage ratio of both increases to about 3.65 around the sag point.
• The leverage ratio of both then falls off to <1.5 at bottom out. The Evo ends up a little lower (1.35 vs 1.45)

Basically both are going to be really soft early in the travel (plush!!!™) and then ramp up like a motherfucker.

 

[jonKranked]

Those are definitely not the same.

Numbers matter.

pixels on the internet don't lie

 

[jackalope]

With all due respect to jstuhlman and dj, I'm surprised they're bothering to update it as I can't imagine there's much of a market for this sort of bike with the advent of some seriously kick ass HAM™ (Heavy All Mountain) bikes. I mean the Darkside seems like a killer bike, but I'd be hard pressed to choose it over a Legend for legit DH stuff or a Spitty/Rune for HAM™ adventures. I get there are some people who basically want a DH bike that is *barely* pedalable up to the top of some epic and gnarly descent, but those situations seem pretty unusual IMO. At least its got a good SA for actually pedaling the thing, but unless I was slowly grinding up a dirt road, that'd be a lot of bike to slog up any kind of steep/rough trail.

But wait, maybe since is an unrideable VPP bike, it will come with a shuttle donkey so you won't have to "ride" it uphill (or anywhere I suppose).

 

[jstuhlman]

I'm just stubborn.

 

[iRider]

Basically both are going to be really soft early in the travel (plush!!!™) and then ramp up like a motherfucker.

Like I said, pretty good description of a "park bike".

 

[Jeremy R]

They are going to sell tens of those worldwide!

 

[iRider]

With all due respect to jstuhlman and dj, I'm surprised they're bothering to update it as I can't imagine there's much of a market for this sort of bike with the advent of some seriously kick ass HAM™ (Heavy All Mountain) bikes.

Lyrik is reborn, you need a bike for it.
And Freeride is truly back after all those endubros find out that you can do so much more with moar travel. And now that enduro also focuses on fitness you can't just blame the bike anymore if you suck, so something heavier, slacker, moar unrideable will be needed for an excuse.

 

[djjohnr]

I get there are some people who basically want a DH bike that is *barely* pedalable up to the top of some epic and gnarly descent, but those situations seem pretty unusual IMO.

Post second kid I've averaged 2 days a year of lift served riding. I don't like having that much cash tied up in something I rarely use, but I also know from experience that a 6" AM bike isn't nearly as fun on that kind of terrain. I've found that a 7" bike with DH geo is a lot more fun then the AM bike, plus I ride it a lot more often then I rode my DH bike. Hell, last time I rode Mammoth it made all the traverses a lot faster which earned me more runs, and I wasn't any slower on the descents. It also makes a great road trip rig since it can tackle anything.

 

[HAB]

Like I said, pretty good description of a "park bike".

Not a good one.

 

[kidwoo]

I said "about". They're not identical, but they're pretty close.

I was looking more at the change from sag to bottom (call it 70mm in)

OG 951: 3.5-1.4 = 2.1 (unrideable)

EVO: 3.45-2.15 = 1.3 (mostly rideable)

 

[HAB]

I was looking more at the change from sag to bottom (call it 70mm in)

OG 951: 3.5-1.4 = 2.1 (unrideable)

EVO: 3.45-2.15 = 1.3 (mostly rideable)

According to that, the EVO goes from 3.6 at 70mm sag, to 1.35 at bottom out. The OG 951 goes from 3.5 to 1.45, so it's actually a little better.

 

[kidwoo]

Ha!

I was looking at the uzzi one.

Why? Cuz I'm stoopidz.


You're right. They both suck.

 

[HAB]

Ha!

I was looking at the uzzi one.

Why? Cuz I'm stoopidz.

The evo isn't even on there

That's why I posted 2 different graphs, numbnuts.

According to linkage they're about the same.

Total change in the leverage ratio is about the same. The old one hits the highest leverage ratio a little earlier in the travel.

 

[jstuhlman]

great marketing slogan:
teh 2009 uzzi: almost rideabru!
-kidwoo

(wonder what the new one's numbers look like...)

 

[kidwoo]

I just mapped it out

Looks like the old one, IE a 951

 

[HAB]

I just mapped it out

Looks like the old one, IE a 951

Pics or STFU.

My results are here:

 

[kidwoo]

Pretty much the same as what you got



http://www.ridemonkey.com/media/uzzi-lev.2699/full?lightbox=1&last_edit_date=1442283126

 

[HAB]

Pretty much the same as what you got



http://www.ridemonkey.com/media/uzzi-lev.2699/full?lightbox=1&last_edit_date=1442283126

That's, uh, bad.

 

[kidwoo]

It's way too progressive just like some of their other ones but I gotta say........the shape is still better than the mess SC builds their trailbikes with.

 

[HAB]

It's way too progressive just like some of their other ones but I gotta say........the shape is still better than the mess SC builds their trailbikes with.

Oh my god the Spider.

The little tail up at the end of the Bronson is derpy, but it's not actually a big change so it's probably not thaaat bad.

 

[jstuhlman]

so what else is out there (relatively mainstream) with it's travel numbers, adjustability - banshee darkside (which just doesn't work as well as an all around trailbike due to bb height, seat tube angle, etc.) and ... _____?

 

[HAB]

so what else is out there (relatively mainstream) with it's travel numbers, adjustability - banshee darkside (which just doesn't work as well as an all around trailbike due to bb height, seat tube angle, etc.) and ... _____?

There definitely aren't many. I think a lot of that's because they're in an awkward middle ground of being kind of shitty to pedal very far, but less capable than an actual DH bike.

Scott Voltage FR?

 

[kidwoo]

I really would like to hear from joeG about why they do that increasing rate at the top of the stroke. It's on every one of their trail bikes (but noticeably not the v10 which is fucking awesome). It makes the bikes really hang up on the rebound stroke. It's gotta be in the name of increased traction from more wheel pressure or something. It sucks though.

Yes joe that's a softball in case you still read this site late at night


No comment on that spider shit.

 

[jimw]

so what else is out there (relatively mainstream) with it's travel numbers, adjustability - banshee darkside (which just doesn't work as well as an all around trailbike due to bb height, seat tube angle, etc.) and ... _____?

Specialized Enduro Evo. Though I don't see it on their updated 2016 site, not sure if discontinued or just going to be a late arrival (think that was the case the past couple years?).

 

[jimw]

I really would like to hear from joeG about why they do that increasing rate at the top of the stroke. It's on every one of their trail bikes (but noticeably not the v10 which is fucking awesome). It makes the bikes really hang up on the rebound stroke. It's gotta be in the name of increased traction from more wheel pressure or something. It sucks though.

Wasn't there a pic of a Nomad proto where the shock was driven from the lower link, like a V10? That thing could be sweet.

Anyway.... FREERIDE AIN'T DEAD!