Can we call this a Star Chamber yet?

[Silver]

Again, I can't wait until President Bristol Palin puts a drone-fired missile through my window in 30 years because I called her mom a stupid bitch (well, worse, actually) on RM.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/29/wo...pagewanted=all

It's funny how an impeachable offense is staring the GOP in their face, and they won't take it. Semen on a dress? Rabble Rabble Rabble!

Mr. Obama embraced a disputed method for counting civilian casualties that did little to box him in. It in effect counts all military-age males in a strike zone as combatants, according to several administration officials, unless there is explicit intelligence posthumously proving them innocent.

Unreal. Obama should be in the Hague next to Cheney and Bush and Rumsfeld and Powell. And this is the best option we have? Fantastic.

[Toshi]

Shameful, I agree. I wonder if he actually believes his self-deception. GWB seemed dumb enough to fool himself once, twice, thrice, or whatever that saying said, but I thought Obama higher than that.

I crossposted these relevant quotes to my public G+ stream, for what that's worth:

https://plus.google.com/115479414905...ts/hKgPWmUpTtH

[Silver]

Oh, and the first guy who says "Vote for Ron Paul, then!" in that sneering I'm a fvcking moron who is too stupid to breathe voice?

Light yourself on fire.

[$tinkle]

what can one say other than on this issue, also, his position has evolved. and i predict hillary would have done the same

on the +side, by using this method, he's effectively closed down gitmo. maybe he could take his list & re-categorize into F/M/K

[dante]

I must be failing as a "liberal", because I really don't see anything wrong with this. Car full of known bad guys. 2 guys (military age) who are riding around in the car full of bad guys, but not necessarily known to be terrorists...... How would you classify them?? Civilians? Seriously? I'm pretty sure that the anonymous official has it spot on:

innocent neighbors don’t hitchhike rides in the back of trucks headed for the border with guns and bombs

What, is that one guy in the middle standing above the cab (white turban) unknown to the CIA and isn't specifically holding a gun, so he should obviously be listed as a civilian?



Going after a purely military target and having some (possible) civilian casualties is a fact of war. It's true when Obama does it, it was true when Bush did it, and it's true when the Israelies and Palestinians do it.

[Andyman_1970]

I must be failing as a "liberal", because I really don't see anything wrong with this. Car full of known bad guys. 2 guys (military age) who are riding around in the car full of bad guys, but not necessarily known to be terrorists...... How would you classify them?? Civilians? Seriously? I'm pretty sure that the anonymous official has it spot on:



What, is that one guy in the middle standing above the cab (white turban) unknown to the CIA and isn't specifically holding a gun, so he should obviously be listed as a civilian?



Going after a purely military target and having some (possible) civilian casualties is a fact of war. It's true when Obama does it, it was true when Bush did it, and it's true when the Israelies and Palestinians do it.

Must spread rep.

AQAP just tried a few weeks ago to slip an underwear bomb past the goalie and onto a US bound jet. If they are targeting us, should we not be targeting them?

[Toshi]

We're not ruled by law when a dictator president can unilaterally order ANYONE killed and define anyone in their proximity as an enemy, merely because he and he alone decides that he's sufficiently convinced they're a "baddie."

[dante]

^^^^And what would your definition of "enemy combatant" be, and how would you implement that determination in say.... Yemen?

[Toshi]

I wouldn't use drones. If a target was sufficiently well identified and was agreed to be a threat (by more than just me and my hen-pecked advisors) then I'd send in actual troops. Needless to say, the prospect of losing soldiers would make me much more wary to flex my foreign assassination muscle, as it were, and I probably wouldn't do so at all.

[Silver]

^^^^And what would your definition of "enemy combatant" be, and how would you implement that determination in say.... Yemen?

So if we can go and blow people up in Yemen, then they are justified in blowing us up here, right?

After all, you can't possibly argue that American bombs overseas only hit bad guys. (Iraq says hi!)

Congrats, you just justified 9/11 from the other side. Bush Doctrine, after all.

Unless you're arguing that only Americans are allowed to kill people and pretend it's ok. If that's it, you're in agreement with the communist Kenyan faggot and about 99% of the richest, fattest, and most ignorant nation on the planet, so you're not an outlier or anything...

[blackohio]

we're all terrorists.

[blackohio]

Kenyan faggot

How ****ing ignorant do you have to sound to make a point? faggot?

[Silver]

How ****ing ignorant do you have to sound to make a point? faggot?

Ironic, except not really. That talking point should get me a spot at right-wing think tank. Or a internship with Andrew Sullivan. You've noticed the rhetoric over the last bunch of years?

Yes, they've called Obama a fag. It's been one of the charges, along with atheist Muslim communist socialist fascist collectivist etc. Nigger, of course, is on the tip of their tongues, but they can't quite say it because they know that's beyond the pale, even for the racist base that makes up the GOP. Progress!

Not leveled against Larry Craig very often by the same people, I've noticed...

Lets not derail the thread, though. All those things the right want wants to hang Obama for, and they ignore the legitimate reason to remove him right under their noses...which goes back to my concern about President Bristol Palin...

And before anyone asks again, the only reason I'm in the US is for family. Without that, I'd kiss this banana republic ****hole goodbye in about 0.0001 seconds. Can one of you Americans convert that to Jesus-time for me?

[blackohio]

I think you might be retarded.

[stevew]

where can gwb pick up his nobel peace prize at?