X-Fusion Vector HLR Coil

[PJivan]

p.s. you may find this stress test interesting compared to a RC4 and a CCDB

C XFusion Ammortizzatore Vector HLR Coil. surriscaldamento 100° dopo 4 minuti ca. - YouTube

C XFusion Ammortizzatore Vector HLR Coil. surriscaldamento 100° dopo 4 minuti ca. - YouTube

A Fox Ammortizzatore RC4 Coil. Surriscaldamento 100° dopo 2 minuti 55 sec. ca. - YouTube

A Fox Ammortizzatore RC4 Coil. Surriscaldamento 100° dopo 2 minuti 55 sec. ca. - YouTube

B Ammortizzatore CaneCreek DB. surriscaldamento 100° dopo 2 minuti 43 sec ca. - YouTube

B Ammortizzatore CaneCreek DB. surriscaldamento 100° dopo 2 minuti 43 sec ca. - YouTube

[tacubaya]

Nice videos.

I just wonder, did they adjust all 3 shocks to have the same compression and rebound damping?

[PJivan]

Pepi suspension center knows enought to not fall in a so simply mistake...if they did it they where in bad faith 4 sure...

p.s. no one can help me with my previous question?

[tacubaya]

I've sold Vectors to guys that were running RC4s and all of them told me the Vector was a much better shock, TIFWIW.

[allen]

I've been running the vector HLR on my 6pt than swapped it over to my 7pt. I've had it for about 2 seasons and its going strong with no complaints. The shock is super easy to set up and as someone said before the adjustments are effective when tuning.

AL

[PJivan]

dose it work better on linear or progressive suspension?

[Steve M]

Nice videos.

I just wonder, did they adjust all 3 shocks to have the same compression and rebound damping?

Pepi suspension center knows enought to not fall in a so simply mistake...if they did it they where in bad faith 4 sure...

p.s. no one can help me with my previous question?

The VAST majority of the heat generated by a damper comes from the actual damping process, ie passing oil through a small aperture at high pressure to convert kinetic energy into thermal energy. If the actual damping levels were the same for each shock (hard to compare due to the progressive nature of the RC4 for starters) for both compression and rebound, the same amount of heat energy would be generated per unit time (also assuming the test runs at exactly the same speed each time!). I don't believe that the Vector's body can actually dissipate heat twice as fast as the RC4 or CCDB if it's actually producing the same amount to begin with - it would seem more likely that there are errors in the testing procedure, such as not actually having identical damping rates in compression/rebound, or measuring temperature in a part of the shock that is not representative of true oil temperature, keeping in mind that almost all the CCDB's damping occurs through the reservoir bridge, while the Vector and the RC4 share compression duties between main piston and bridge, and have the rebound damping occurring at the main piston only (vs reservoir bridge only on the CCDB). Especially at the speeds at play in this test, I cannot see seal drag/piston drag creating any significant difference in temperature - if you play with those with the shock depressurised and only a bit of oil in there for lubrication, you can see how little friction there actually is on any shock.

No disrespect to whoever conducted the test, because it's very hard to accurately match damping curves between position-sensitive and position-independent shocks, but depending on how they're calculating average damping rates for each stroke, it seems highly likely that the damping rates aren't actually quite the same.

If anyone in or visiting Whistler wants to drop me in a Vector and/or a current spec CCDB, I'd be happy to replicate the test.

[tacubaya]

The VAST majority of the heat generated by a damper comes from the actual damping process, ie passing oil through a small aperture at high pressure to convert kinetic energy into thermal energy. If the actual damping levels were the same for each shock (hard to compare due to the progressive nature of the RC4 for starters) for both compression and rebound, the same amount of heat energy would be generated per unit time (also assuming the test runs at exactly the same speed each time!). I don't believe that the Vector's body can actually dissipate heat twice as fast as the RC4 or CCDB if it's actually producing the same amount to begin with - it would seem more likely that there are errors in the testing procedure, such as not actually having identical damping rates in compression/rebound, or measuring temperature in a part of the shock that is not representative of true oil temperature, keeping in mind that almost all the CCDB's damping occurs through the reservoir bridge, while the Vector and the RC4 share compression duties between main piston and bridge, and have the rebound damping occurring at the main piston only (vs reservoir bridge only on the CCDB). Especially at the speeds at play in this test, I cannot see seal drag/piston drag creating any significant difference in temperature - if you play with those with the shock depressurised and only a bit of oil in there for lubrication, you can see how little friction there actually is on any shock.

No disrespect to whoever conducted the test, because it's very hard to accurately match damping curves between position-sensitive and position-independent shocks, but depending on how they're calculating average damping rates for each stroke, it seems highly likely that the damping rates aren't actually quite the same.

If anyone in or visiting Whistler wants to drop me in a Vector and/or a current spec CCDB, I'd be happy to replicate the test.

Yea, pretty difficult to make all three shocks develop the same damping forces. Anyways I emailed them about the test, we'll see what they have to say.

Btw, are you working on Vorsprung? Best of luck on the suspension business!! Next time I visit Whistler I'll buy you guys a beer and maybe we can chat about suspension!

[Steve M]

Yea, pretty difficult to make all three shocks develop the same damping forces. Anyways I emailed them about the test, we'll see what they have to say.

Btw, are you working on Vorsprung? Best of luck on the suspension business!! Next time I visit Whistler I'll buy you guys a beer and maybe we can chat about suspension!

Yep, Vorsprung Suspension is my project, officially launched as of yesterday, providing custom tuning and servicing locally in Whistler. Always down for a chinwag about suspension, hit me up when you're up here steve at vorsprungsuspension dot com will get me!

[Mo(n)arch]

Good luck on the businness, Steve! I hope you keep helping us via the monkey!

Is it possible to get different tunes of the shock to suit different leverage curves?
I'm thinking to upgrade the rear of my Session 88 (DHX 5.0) with something decent.

[scottbrixie]

Im running the HLR Vector Air on my Butcher and love it. Have had no issues with it at all.

[tacubaya]

Good luck on the businness, Steve! I hope you keep helping us via the monkey!

Is it possible to get different tunes of the shock to suit different leverage curves?
I'm thinking to upgrade the rear of my Session 88 (DHX 5.0) with something decent.

When you order from X-Fusion directly, you can get one of 5 different tunes for the Vector for 50 bucks. Stock tune is excellent though.

[tacubaya]

BTW I talked to Pepi about that test, he set all three shocks with compression and rebound adjusters full open. so the tests don't prove anything at all.

From the conversations we had it seems he knows quite a bit about suspension so I guess it was more of a "lets see what happens just for giggles" rather than a methodical comparative test.

[Huck Banzai]

BUMP

I'm looking at a good deal on a take off Vector HLR; I heard there may be some durability issues?

Straighten me out, should I grab it? I just blew the PUSH'd Vivid on my v10c, and have a brande new loaner Vivid R2C Air (which I may wind up buying), looking to try some more shocks -- any opinions on these for V10c? I hear good things in general.