The EVIL Revolt Tech. and Tuning Archive

[S.K.C.]

*NOTE*: The Thread Direction markings on the main pivot hardware on the first few batches of frames were etched showing the incorrect direction. PM me if you are tearing down your Revolt for end of season maintanence and I'll help you sort this out.

-Cheers!

General Measurments:
Head Tube: 1.5" (adjustable +/- 1 degree)
BB: 83mm
Chainguide Mount: ISCG 05’
Seat Post: 30.9mm
Seat Collar: 34.9mm
Rear Hub: 150mm x 12mm
Shock: 9.5" x 3.0"
Shock Hardware: Front (22mm x 10mm) // Rear (30mm x 10mm)

Stock Components & Frame Settings Out of The Box:
- Shock: 2010 FOX DHX RC4
- Stock Spring Rates:
Sm=250#
Med/Lg=300#
XL=350#
- Flip Chips slack, headtube steep // 13.8", 64°



Frame Warranty:
2 Years from the date of purchase.

Features:
DELTA Suspension
Flip Chips
Off Set Shock

Production Geometry and Available Sizes:

*NOTE: These are the actual production figures for the bikes that are coming off the line.




Shock Options:(as of 11/20/09)
FOX DHX 5.0
FOX RC4
Elka Stage 5
Cane Creek Double Barrel
Rock Shox Vivid 5.1 & 4.1

Spring Rates AND Shock Tuning:

FOX RC4:



Stock Spring Rates for DHX 5.0 & RC4:
For spring rates, the frames come delivered with:

w/ DHX5.0(First production run of 50 frames)
Sm=300#
Med=350#
Lg=400#

w/ RC4
Sm=250#
Med/Lg=300#
XL=350#

Fox has recommended running 50# lower spring rates on the RC4 than you would run on the DHX5.0.

FWIW, I am running 400# spring and am approx 200lbs. I am pretty much on money with the sag. Maybe would need a 425# spring but a 450# would be too much.
-ska todd

ROCKSHOX VIVID 5.1:
The Rockshox Vivid 5.1 comes in 3 available tuning configurations from their factory. The "A Tune", "B Tune", and "C Tune". dw, designer of the Revolt's suspension says:

The “A Tune" is what I recommend...
- dw

CCDB:

We have previously passed the leverage and wheel rate info to CC USA for their shock tuning. - ska Todd

…talk directly with Josh Coaplen. He knows what's up, I passed him the curves a while back and he and I have discussed them in person too. I haven't tested a bike with the data acquisition and the CCDB yet, but I'm confident that it can be made to work.
- dw

ELKA STAGE 5:

Originally Posted by IH8Rice
how does it(Elka Stage 5) feel compared to your Vivid that you had on there? im looking for more options...

Great compression adjustment, that actually works (what i liked about the Vivid). On the Elka it is nice to have both high and low speed compression adjustment though (compared to a DHX 5.0). If you know what you are doing and know how you want your bike to behave it comes in really handy for fine tuning.

All shocks have their pros/cons.... favorite part of this one is that it is super sensitive on the smallest of hits but does not use up too much of its travel and the progressive rebound is spot on. The cons would be that it could take a while to get set up correctly but Pat at Elka knows his stuff and they have a ton of guys testing and giving feedback so he is able to take the guess work out of the fine tuning.

I have no sponsorship obligation with them and could run whatever I want... I have a Fox (DHX 5.0), and a Vivid(5.1) for the Revolt both of which I have ridden extensively, and I had the Vivid 5.1 feeling super nice... but the Elka is staying put as it simply performs better for me.
-Dave Trump (Late Summer/early Fall 2009)

Originally Posted by Jason4
Dave-
I assume it is still intended to be an aftermarket shock and is purchased after the fact and built to order, custom valved for your riding style and weight from a Revolt baseline?...

My shock was built around the Revolt's leverage ratio, and I am not sure how far from that base line things were changed for my weight and compression prefs.

...what I was trying to say is that Elka has all the data they need from the folks at Evil to build you a shock & they have done some testing on the Revolt so it is possible to buy one aftermarket.
-Dave Trump

Frame:
2009 (First Year Production)

Material: Aluminum (details forthcoming)

Colors:

White (powder coat)



Black (bead blast anodize which give a matte/satin finish)






Frame Decals:
"Voice & Choice"
EVIL Revolts will ship with 7 complete decal kits:
Black
Gold
Silver
Green
Blue
Red
Lavender

*Notes:
The first production run of 50 frames were powder coat white with gold ano head tube sleeves and shipped with FOX DHX 5.0 shocks. In addition, another batch of 10 or so frames were also shipped with the now standard black ano head tube sleeve, but some were equipped with the 2010 DHX RC4 (or simply the "RC4") and some were equipped with the DHX 5.0. Both batches of frames (gold ano head tube sleeves and black ano head tube sleeves) did not have a continuously straight TT(no brace). :



Production frames succeeding the first 60 had black ano head tube sleeves and came equipped with the 2010 FOX DHX RC4 (or simply the “RC4”). However these frames featured a continously straight TT (i.e. - they had the seat tube brace):



In 2009 a VERY limited number of frames came in "Gun Metal Grey" ano.


2010
Material: Aluminum (details forthcoming)

Colors:
White (powder coat)
Black (anodize)
*uncomfirmed as of 11/20/09* Fluorescent Yellow (powder coat)
*new* Gun Metal Grey (bead blast anodize which give a matte/satin finish)




Notes: TBA

[S.K.C.]

Adjustable Geo:

“I don't really have any interest in running a 14.25"bb or a 65 degree head angle so I'm probably not going to flip the chips just for the sake of it. But I know a lot of people who will really appreciate the option of not having to run a 13.7"bb all the time (How often have we heard that the Sunday is "too low" and it sits right at 14"?).

In reality, yes - the adjustments do exactly what they say. Dave and I both turned the headtube sleeve to the slackest position & the bike went from 64 to 63 degrees. As far as flipping the chips over in the swingarm it's a pretty straightforward and simple design. It looks like flipping them basically extends the swingarm to make the bb higher and repositions the shock to keep the leverage ratio constant. In the lowest position you can run a 63 or 64 degree head angle, and in the taller position you can run a 64 or 65. Should accomodate a lot of different riders' preferences.”
-General Lee

Originally Posted by -BB-:
Wow... 63 degree HT angle? Is that pretty much standard now? I've been away from the Mtnbike sites for a while...

Yep, and to think that a couple people have already asked me if they can run the (custom aftermarket) slacker HT cups that have been shown around on the board here. Mine is currently set with the slack FlipChips and the steep headangle. My HTA sits right about 64° with a BB of just under 14". I personally couldn't ask for a better geom set. I'm already riding the bike over my head and have had to say "you need to slow down so you can work tomorrow".
-ska todd

Floater (Floating Rear Brake):

Originally Posted by ohio:
Quick Q for DW and crew (and if history is any indication, DW will have an extensive response): why no floating brake?

To keep it simple, based on past experience and through testing with a few "mules" over the years, I didn't really feel that the benefits were great enough to justify the added cost, weight, and complexity. Instead, I was REALLY careful about where I put that main pivot. In my opinion, the benefits of optimizing for acceleration performance far outweigh the benefits of optimizing for braking performance, so I concentrated my efforts there first, with a mindful eye on what impact my choices had on braking.
-dw

Manufacture Origin:

Originally Posted by GPERKINS:
So are the revolts made overseas?

Not if you live in Taiwan.
-ska todd

“…I can't think of a factory outside Taiwan that could manufacture every detail of this bike as expertly. Even the USA and Canada factories source forgings and tubing from Taiwan. That's where the technology and cost has really matured in the last 20 years.
There are a lot of amazing factories that can machine and weld in North America, but it's tough to beat TW for sourcing complex formed tubes and forgings. As a result, the factories there have a lot of experience working with complex shapes / manufacturing techniques.”
- dw

Graphic Design - EVIL Bikes:

Jeremy Fish

http://www.sillypinkbunnies.com/

[S.K.C.]

UPDATES:

Ti Springs:
Obtanium Performance
http://www.obtainiumperformanceproducts.com/

11/23/09 - Just spoke with Jim today at Obtainium. Ti springs for the new FOX RC4 should be available by Feb. 2010. Initial offerings will be in 300# and 350# rates.

[S.K.C.]

Place Holder for Future

Just in case...

[IH8Rice]

wow, you had some free time i see

also what do you mean continuously straight TT?
my first white one did not have the brace too. i also thought i had the first batch, but it didnt have the gold sleeve..guess i didnt

*Notes:
The first production run of 50 frames were powder coat white with gold ano head tube sleeves and had FOX DHX 5.0 shocks. In addition these frames did not have a continuously straight TT:

[Routier07]

Thats awesome! I love reading about the Revolt because personally I think its an interesting frame.. If only I afford one.

[Jason4]

Cool, I got quoted.

One day this will become the behemoth that the Sunday thread is and it will be a very useful resource. I don't think I have anything to add now except that I'm 5'8" and 190lbs and I'm riding a medium with a 42mm stem and a 375# ti spring. I'd like to try a stiffer spring but I don't want to pay for one now.

Nice work.

[William42]

Originally Posted by Jason4

Cool, I got quoted.

One day this will become the behemoth that the Sunday thread is and it will be a very useful resource. I don't think I have anything to add now except that I'm 5'8" and 190lbs and I'm riding a medium with a 42mm stem and a 375# ti spring. I'd like to try a stiffer spring but I don't want to pay for one now.

Nice work.

except that SKC went and ruined it by posting it all at the start of the thread, rather then waiting for years of trial and error and experience. Pretty lame, now there isn't much more to it. Weaksauce.

[S.K.C.]

Thanks guys!

Originally Posted by William42

except that SKC went and ruined it by posting it all at the start of the thread, rather then waiting for years of trial and error and experience. Pretty lame, now there isn't much more to it. Weaksauce.

LoL... YES waiting for years of trial and error FIRST would have been the way a REAL man would have done it... however... we all learn from our mistakes. Putting together the "Sunday Thread" when I did was out of frustration and as it turned out, needed in the riding community. I too, wish I had done it sooner but I hadn't "communed" with a Sunday until the summer of 06'.

Originally Posted by IH8Rice

wow, you had some free time i see

also what do you mean continuously straight TT?
my first white one did not have the brace too. i also thought i had the first batch, but it didnt have the gold sleeve..guess i didnt

LoL - indeed!

The EVIL "Countdown" thread was only meant to help make the public more aware of delivery dates but then... well... it devolved into frequent pissing matches and other shenanigans. It detracts from the discussion and is counter-productive to informing riders. What I liked about the "Sunday Thread" was that people could reign it in and stay on topic with tech and tuning questions (at least while I was working on it). By maintaining a professional atmosphere more people reap benefits from the thread and come away from it with a positive experience.

Todd originally told me that the first batch of 50 had the gold ano head tube sleeves but apparently I made the incorrect assumption that these were also the only ones without the "brace". I double checked and the number of frames without the brace is more than 50 but less than 60. "Continuously Straight TT" was just my frame of reference when describing the Revolt in that area. "Brace" or "No Brace" also works.

[big-ted]

Shock hardware size would be useful...

[S.K.C.]

Coming up!

I'll get in touch with Gabe on Monday to get all the specifics.

[IH8Rice]

im finally ditching my RC4 for a CCDB and also my 888 for a new Dorado...cant wait for next year already!
i need a new chain guide too apparently. my G2 is bent to hell as well as my chain ring..

[S.K.C.]

Nice!

The Ohlins/CCDB is a great shock - Herndon and a lot of other pros did a TON of testing with them. The final product is pretty impressive. So far so good with the Dorado. After a full season of racing, a buddy of mine who rides for GIANT says he loves his.

[S.K.C.]

For big-ted (and the folks at home) :

Shock Hardware:

Front: 22mm x 10mm
Rear: 30mm x 10mm

I'll add this to the archives above.

Cheers!

[P.T.W]

I know its not a tech post but iv found a theme song for this thread
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKX8ntjWeas