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    Don't know about living in Germany but southern Germany is definitely a fun place to visit. Spent some time skiing in Bavaria and also in Austria. Soooooo much good beer
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    you won't like it. it's full of foreigners.
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    I just moved to freiburg( south of stuttgart, almost to basel) for a year of studying abroad. So far love the euro part of it!

    but bike culture is different, and i heard its even different from city to city. With so much riding in and around my town you have a lot riders. However, with so many riders and not as much need to gang up and fight/build trails the community is pretty broken up.

    Been having some trouble finding solid riding buds over here, even with conversation level german.

    or and bring all the bike stuff you want over with you. it costs way more here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stoney View Post
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    socialized medicine
    True (but for the price of it you could have your own personal house doctor in the US).
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    and only work a 40hr week
    hahaha. My first 6 months I averaged 10 hours per work day without accumulating a single vacation day. Now I get 2 per month.

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    Stuttgart is in a cool part of Germany, generally the south is pretty cool and the riding is cool. The city itself is a bit boring, but the quality of life is good.
    On the contrary, I find the city exciting and that there are a lot of things to do here, but the quality of life compared to the US is quite low. I base this mostly on it being difficult to make the same amount of money as I could in the USA, and that everything is at least 50% more expensive. There are also a lot of day to day things that get frustrating after a while. EVERYTHING is closed on Sunday. Stores open after you go to work and close before you leave work... and sometimes during lunch. Forget about anything (that doesn't serve beer) being open after 8pm, ever. Customer service calls cost 42 Euro cents per minute. You actually have to pay 10% of your income to the Church by way of taxes (I was warned of this beforehand and opted out, so now I can't join in any church activities). Expect the guy packing bearings to make more money, receive more benefits, and work fewer hours than the engineer that's designing the equipment for the bearings to go into. GEMA. The beer selection is actually a lot greater at most grocery stores in the US, but here you can drink a beer while walking downtown or driving 200km/h on the Autobahn.


    For me, it's not a place that I would ever want to live for the rest of my life, but at the same time, I've extended my work contract once already and am wanting to extend it again when this one expires in May. I like the people, the public transit, proximity to other cool places, bar/club scene, the women are amazing, the Wilhelma zoo and botanical gardens is really nice, Rosenstein park is great, the museums are good, and in general I find it a really nice and fun place to be with always something to do on the weekend or after work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yesimaddicted View Post
    I just moved to freiburg( south of stuttgart, almost to basel) for a year of studying abroad. So far love the euro part of it!

    but bike culture is different, and i heard its even different from city to city. With so much riding in and around my town you have a lot riders. However, with so many riders and not as much need to gang up and fight/build trails the community is pretty broken up.

    Been having some trouble finding solid riding buds over here, even with conversation level german.

    or and bring all the bike stuff you want over with you. it costs way more here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yesimaddicted View Post
    I just moved to freiburg( south of stuttgart, almost to basel) for a year of studying abroad. So far love the euro part of it!

    but bike culture is different, and i heard its even different from city to city. With so much riding in and around my town you have a lot riders. However, with so many riders and not as much need to gang up and fight/build trails the community is pretty broken up.

    Been having some trouble finding solid riding buds over here, even with conversation level german.

    or and bring all the bike stuff you want over with you. it costs way more here.
    My flatmate's boyfriend lives in Freiburg. I haven't had a chance to ride with him yet, but he rides a Santa Cruz Nomad and seems to ride quite a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ????? View Post
    True.
    True (but for the price of it you could have your own personal house doctor in the US).
    hahaha. My first 6 months I averaged 10 hours per work day without accumulating a single vacation day. Now I get 2 per month.


    On the contrary, I find the city exciting and that there are a lot of things to do here, but the quality of life compared to the US is quite low. I base this mostly on it being difficult to make the same amount of money as I could in the USA, and that everything is at least 50% more expensive. There are also a lot of day to day things that get frustrating after a while. EVERYTHING is closed on Sunday. Stores open after you go to work and close before you leave work... and sometimes during lunch. Forget about anything (that doesn't serve beer) being open after 8pm, ever. Customer service calls cost 42 Euro cents per minute. You actually have to pay 10% of your income to the Church by way of taxes (I was warned of this beforehand and opted out, so now I can't join in any church activities). Expect the guy packing bearings to make more money, receive more benefits, and work fewer hours than the engineer that's designing the equipment for the bearings to go into. GEMA. The beer selection is actually a lot greater at most grocery stores in the US, but here you can drink a beer while walking downtown or driving 200km/h on the Autobahn.


    For me, it's not a place that I would ever want to live for the rest of my life, but at the same time, I've extended my work contract once already and am wanting to extend it again when this one expires in May. I like the people, the public transit, proximity to other cool places, bar/club scene, the women are amazing, the Wilhelma zoo and botanical gardens is really nice, Rosenstein park is great, the museums are good, and in general I find it a really nice and fun place to be with always something to do on the weekend or after work.
    Awesome info, thx!

    I'm not worried about German taxes - I'll paying more than enough back to the US (although living & cost of living allowances are non-taxed).

    No change to my health care - same ol' Blue Cross/Blue Shield.

    I'll work a 40 hr week and enjoy my 26 paid vaca days immensely - think sightseeing, drinking beer & mountain biking.

    Can't wait to enjoy Europe again - was last there in '86.
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    Quote Originally Posted by N8 v2.0 View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by ????? View Post
    True.
    True (but for the price of it you could have your own personal house doctor in the US).
    hahaha. .
    Lol'd. Surgery and other expensive stuff in US is stupid expensive compared to Germany. I paid out of my own pocket there.


    On the contrary, I find the city exciting and that there are a lot of things to do here, but the quality of life compared to the US is quite low. I base this mostly on it being difficult to make the same amount of money as I could in the USA, and that everything is at least 50% more expensive. There are also a lot of day to day things that get frustrating after a while. EVERYTHING is closed on Sunday. Stores open after you go to work and close before you leave work... and sometimes during lunch. Forget about anything (that doesn't serve beer) being open after 8pm, ever. Customer service calls cost 42 Euro cents per minute. You actually have to pay 10% of your income to the Church by way of taxes (I was warned of this beforehand and opted out, so now I can't join in any church activities). Expect the guy packing bearings to make more money, receive more benefits, and work fewer hours than the engineer that's designing the equipment for the bearings to go into. GEMA. The beer selection is actually a lot greater at most grocery stores in the US, but here you can drink a beer while walking downtown or driving 200km/h on the Autobahn.
    You mistake quality of life with the ability to buy gadgets. If that's important move to a tax heaven.

    The church thing makes sense - Instead of the country donating to church via tax cuts if you want to support it you do it.

    Also you must work in a really really crappy company if as an Engineer you make less than a technician. My mother married a german engineer, 6-7 years ago. He's a halfwit and I'm quite sure he earns more than a bearing guy.

    As for beer - the bigger shops have a wide array of great beers. At least in bavaria. Local small shops yes but after a few brief encounters with the US as long as it's souther germany i prefer it to us all the way.

    Also Stuttgart is closer to Morzine than Warsaw is to any real mountains.



    As for your workweek - average german workweek is 35.6h/week. In Symantec or Siemmens you work 8+8+8+8+5h. Big corpo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by valve bouncer View Post
    Tell me you've been to Todtnau!
    I was there for the last IxS race and hope to get out there at least once this summer, but only 2 trails? kinda weak in my opinion.

    Quote Originally Posted by ????? View Post
    My flatmate's boyfriend lives in Freiburg. I haven't had a chance to ride with him yet, but he rides a Santa Cruz Nomad and seems to ride quite a bit.
    Sending you a PM, always trying to find people to shred with over here. and funny thing is, I also have a nomad
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    Quote Originally Posted by N8 v2.0 View Post
    Awesome info, thx!

    I'm not worried about German taxes - I'll paying more than enough back to the US (although living & cost of living allowances are non-taxed).

    No change to my health care - same ol' Blue Cross/Blue Shield.

    I'll work a 40 hr week and enjoy my 26 paid vaca days immensely - think sightseeing, drinking beer & mountain biking.

    Can't wait to enjoy Europe again - was last there in '86.
    This is the way to do it. Is the $4,000/month living allowance in addition to a semi-regular salary? If so, beers are on you my friend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CBJ View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by norbar View Post
    Lol'd. Surgery and other expensive stuff in US is stupid expensive compared to Germany. I paid out of my own pocket there.
    If you needed surgery in the USA and Germany and you had no health insurance, then yes, it would likely cost more in the USA. However, you must have health insurance in Germany, and it costs much more than it does in the USA.

    My experience with the doctor's office and emergency rooms are limited to a few minutes of the doctor prodding around in my ear and a more severe instance when my g/f crashed her bike, broke out her front teeth, and needed some stitches around her head and face. This happened in July and she still has the temporary repairs done to her teeth, and likely will for another 5 months as her dentist was on pregnancy leave when she went back 2 weeks ago to get the permanent repairs done. The hospital room that she was in had some nasty, porous wall paper with old blood stains streaked along it. When she was moved to the dental specialist that night there was one younger lady working there. After 30 minutes another dentist showed up.

    Given the choice, I'd take the comparatively posh treatment one receives at an American hospital.


    Quote Originally Posted by norbar View Post
    You mistake quality of life with the ability to buy gadgets. If that's important move to a tax heaven.

    The church thing makes sense - Instead of the country donating to church via tax cuts if you want to support it you do it.

    Also you must work in a really really crappy company if as an Engineer you make less than a technician. My mother married a german engineer, 6-7 years ago. He's a halfwit and I'm quite sure he earns more than a bearing guy.

    As for beer - the bigger shops have a wide array of great beers. At least in bavaria. Local small shops yes but after a few brief encounters with the US as long as it's souther germany i prefer it to us all the way.

    Also Stuttgart is closer to Morzine than Warsaw is to any real mountains.



    As for your workweek - average german workweek is 35.6h/week. In Symantec or Siemmens you work 8+8+8+8+5h. Big corpo.
    It's not so much being able to buy gadgets, but being able to afford to do things.

    I'm not an engineer, but an architect. That was just to make an analogy. I know quite a few architects here with 5 years or less work experience, some with masters degrees, and none of them make the $40-45,000 per year that you might expect right after graduating. I also know exactly 0 Germans in their mid 20's that have bought their own house, and off the top of my head, can't think of any that don't have flatmates.

    The working conditions may be nice on paper, or if you work for a huge corporation, but they certainly don't pertain to any architects that I know. No one at my office is working less than 40 hrs/week unless they don't plan to be on the payroll next month.

    I find the beer selection wider in the US, but it's not a problem as the beer here is good and you can drink wherever and whenever. You can get good beer anywhere, but the culture surrounding it is much more fun and relaxed here.

    Don't get me wrong, I really enjoy it here, it's just not somewhere that I want to live forever. To me, it's nice because of the people, but the opportunities are greater in the US.

    None of this really applies to N8 though as he will essentially be working at an American office in Germany. In his situation, especially if you can receive packages from the US without having to pay overseas shipping and VAT then hell yea I'd do it. I wouldn't think twice about spending 3-5 years over here. You'll love it.

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