I went to a protest, and a capitol broke out.

[kidwoo]

fixed

That's one.


keep going



I know you have more cases upon which you'll expand in detail because an overall distaste for the very organizations that made life in this country tolerable because of only a handful of examples would be well........you know.

[IH8Rice]

That's one.


keep going

I know you have more cases upon which you'll expand in detail because an overall distaste for the very organizations that made life in this country tolerable because of only a handful of examples would be well........you know.

Toyota, Honda, Nissa, BMW, MB, VW all are union free Stateside with the first two dominating the US market. 30% of a UAW worker's dues add to the over $1bil strike fund

life is just a bit different from when Unions first actually made a difference and when they first started appearing.

[stoney]

Toyota, Honda, Nissa, BMW, MB, VW all are union free Stateside with the first two dominating the US market. 30% of a UAW worker's dues add to the over $1bil strike fund

life is just a bit different from when Unions first actually made a difference and when they first started appearing.

This. Competition for your job drives better performance. Better performance drives more efficiencies. More efficiencies drive cost savings. Cost savings allow for funds to be allocated in a manner which promotes those who do their jobs best. Those who do their jobs best are the most competitive. Do we see the circle here?

If you were to bring competition to perform to a place like the DMV, I would put big $ on the lines moving faster, more getting done, and for the end consumers (you know the tax payers) more benefit for what you pay.

[Silver]

foreign auto makers seem to have no issue Stateside. they seem to be doing better than the big 3 who are union

Because there are literally no other factors at work there. None at all.

Atomic Tangerine or Cerulean?

[IH8Rice]

Because there are literally no other factors at work there. None at all.

Atomic Tangerine or Cerulean?

Joker's comment pretty much summed up why those 6 auto companies are producing better products and doing better then the struggling Big 3


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Competition for your job drives better performance. Better performance drives more efficiencies. More efficiencies drive cost savings. Cost savings allow for funds to be allocated in a manner which promotes those who do their jobs best. Those who do their jobs best are the most competitive. Do we see the circle here?

[jimmydean]

Cost savings allow for funds to be allocated in a manner which promotes those who do their jobs best.

If only that were the case, then it's a non-issue, right? But it sure doesn't happen in my industry.

Trickle down much?

[Silver]

Joker's comment pretty much summed up why those 6 auto companies are producing better products and doing better then the struggling Big 3


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I'm going to do something more fun than explain this to you, perhaps pounding rusty nails into the head of my cock with a spoon...

[X3pilot]

Wow, didn't know that about the locals having the ability to vote local pay issues with unioned employees. If that's the case, then it's a will of the local people, who vote at that level for what they want, versus the will of the overall state, who seemed to have elected a majority republican government to enact their will, so does it not then become of "law of the land" type situation?

As for unions, you are either all in with them or all out against them. Do we need unions to ensure safe, healthy work envornments, sure, someone has to police the Feds and State agencies that are charged with that. Do workers deserve representation at the management level, yes they do.

Do unions need to be using the $$ from their base to become PACs, no. Are most of them operating like modern day mafias, yes.

[Beef Supreme]

Let's ignore the union debate for a minute. These are real people facing real harm. Let's do the math.

For a teacher making 50k a year -

1/2 of a 8.5% pension contribution = $2125
12% of health care for a family of 4 = easily $1000

So, the Governor is proposing to take away $3125 from each of these people and they are being unreasonable? They are also taking away their bargaining rights. I thought right wingers were for personal rights and against the redistribution thing.

The trade imbalance, Wall Street, health care companies, oil companies and defense contractors are literally sucking trillions of dollars out of our economy. Attacking workers is not the answer to our problems. At what point will the right wingers actually stand up for their neighbors?

[IH8Rice]

I'm going to do something more fun than explain this to you, perhaps pounding rusty nails into the head of my cock with a spoon...

or sticking your head up your union bosses's ass?

oh lordy lord. someone disagrees with you

you are obviously pro union and i am obviously anti union. if you dont like my pov, then im done trying to prove my point


edit: of the 7 people i know in a union, 4 hate it and the other 3 love it since they are teachers...go figure

[Silver]

or sticking your head up your union bosses's ass?

oh lordy lord. someone disagrees with you

you are obviously pro union and i am obviously anti union. if you dont like my pov, then im done trying to prove my point


edit: of the 7 people i know in a union, 4 hate it and the other 3 love it since they are teachers...go figure

Again, you ignorant slut, I've never been a union member. So you can dispense with that point of attack. You may as well make fun of me for being Russian or Brazilian.

It's not that I don't like your pov, it's that it's unbelievably lacking in any sort of nuance or real world implications.

[IH8Rice]

It's not that I don't like your pov, it's that it's unbelievably lacking in any sort of nuance or real world implications.

what "real world implication" is there? yes if you take out every single union at once would not be a good idea, but PLENTY of companies seem to be doing just fine without a union sucking them dry. unions use their collective bargaining bullsh1t as a way of strong arming people for what they want.



and btw, name calling seems to be the way of pro-union people
http://detnews.com/article/20110112/...mpire%E2%80%99

[jimmydean]

edit: of the 7 people i know in a union, 4 hate it and the other 3 love it since they are teachers...go figure

I am guessing the teachers love it because they know they could stand to make less without a union and they make sh!t now as it is. If I were a teacher, I would feel the same way (teachers make sh!t, that's why I never pursued teaching).

[IH8Rice]

I am guessing the teachers love it because they know they could stand to make less without a union and they make sh!t now as it is. If I were a teacher, I would feel the same way (teachers make sh!t, that's why I never pursued teaching).

if they make sh!t now even with a union, why even pursue the career like you decided to do?
if starting pay is as low as it is in Dante's state, that is sad and funny

[stoney]

Let's ignore the union debate for a minute. These are real people facing real harm. Let's do the math.

For a teacher making 50k a year -

1/2 of a 8.5% pension contribution = $2125
12% of health care for a family of 4 = easily $1000

So, the Governor is proposing to take away $3125 from each of these people and they are being unreasonable? They are also taking away their bargaining rights. I thought right wingers were for personal rights and against the redistribution thing.

The trade imbalance, Wall Street, health care companies, oil companies and defense contractors are literally sucking trillions of dollars out of our economy. Attacking workers is not the answer to our problems. At what point will the right wingers actually stand up for their neighbors?

What about those making $50k with no pension or free hc benefits?

I made $50k when I was at Morgan Stanley. I paid for my healthcare, 401k, and IRA. I was living off $30k pre-tax in the second most expensive city in the country.

Looking at the first CoL calculator on Google, $50k in the Bloomington metro area is $75k in the SF area. While that's not knocking the doors down kind of money, that's more than a LOT of people in this country make. A lot of those people making more don't get pensions and don't have free healthcare.

Life has it's ups and downs. Millions of people don't have jobs and are in far worst situations.

Also, if they were teaching for the love of it, why did they all walk out of class? Every last one of them should be charged with illegally walking out of classes.. let alone the record number of sick days. If I was an Education Dept senior member, I would be walking around taking pictures of teachers in the state house then pairing them against those taking sick days. Let them pay for their 'sick day' as it was clearly a vacation day...