Pivot Mach 5.7c in comparison to Mojo and TRc

[BmxConvert]

6 months ago I bought a Santa Cruz Blur TRc. I've never been a fan of VPP but after riding a friends tall boy I figured I'd give the VPP2 a try via the TRc.



I hate it. Geometry is spot on but the suspension is way too "wallowey" in the mid stroke. I try manualling and pumping rollers and blow right through. I tried different volume air sleeves, a new tune and then an RC4. It still sucks. I'm over $7k into this bike now and I hate it. I'm moving on.

I have the opportunity to get a smoking deal on a Pivot Mach 5.7c through my LBS. I love my Sunday and 6point enough that I can't bring myself to sell them. I have had great experience with the Ibis Mojo as well. It seems DW makes suspension that works for me.

My issue is that I'm ordering this bike blind and hoping to get a comparison between the Mach 5.7 DW Link suspension and the Vpp2. If anyone has experience with the Mach 5.7 and the Mojo that would be helpful as well.


Spam: if anyone wants a TRc I'm dumping this thing.
TRC for sale info here

[ZoRo]

It's not working for you because you don't run a dropper post. That's it!

Joking aside, did you consider an Orange five?? It would my first choice for a well thought out, simple, killer geo trail bike:



Also the new Spitfire with bearings looks promising. I have the old version and while it's not the most reliable bike, it's one of the best bikes I've ever ridden in terms of geo and cheating you into thinking it has 8 inches of travel.

[Da Peach]

You don't mention size in your ad...

[BmxConvert]

The Orange Five is super high on my list but really my only options are a Norco, Diamondback or Pivot. It's a long round about story, but those are my options. I dislike FSR and I already have a Diamondback Mission 4x/Dreamliner. I have no problem running a Mission for my trailbike but that will be far too similar to my 6point and the Sortie is too close to the Dreamliner.
I have to have my main bike be one from my LBS so my choices are limited.

So back to Pivot... How are you guys liking them.

[BmxConvert]

You don't mention size in your ad...

It's a Large.
3rd sentence of the ad.

[bullcrew]

You don't mention size in your ad...

Thats because he doesnt want to scare them off. Lol

[Routier07]

The Orange Five is super high on my list but really my only options are a Norco, Diamondback or Pivot. It's a long round about story, but those are my options. I dislike FSR and I already have a Diamondback Mission 4x/Dreamliner. I have no problem running a Mission for my trailbike but that will be far too similar to my 6point and the Sortie is too close to the Dreamliner.
I have to have my main bike be one from my LBS so my choices are limited.
So back to Pivot... How are you guys liking them.

Have you had the chance to take a new Sight or Range 650b for a spin?? One of the main ++ of A.R.T is the anti-squat and the bikes ability to pedal. I know quite a few guys that are switching over from Stumpjumpers and Enduros over to Sight 650s and Range 650s next season just for the simple fact is pedals moar better under load than their older bikes. The only similarity between FSR and ART is the fact that the pivot is below the front axle, if you haven't had the chance to ride em' I really recommend you trying! The enginerdz over at Norco know whats up.

[BmxConvert]

Have you had the chance to take a new Sight or Range 650b for a spin?? One of the main ++ of A.R.T is the anti-squat and the bikes ability to pedal. I know quite a few guys that are switching over from Stumpjumpers and Enduros over to Sight 650s and Range 650s next season just for the simple fact is pedals moar better under load than their older bikes. The only similarity between FSR and ART is the fact that the pivot is below the front axle, if you haven't had the chance to ride em' I really recommend you trying! The enginerdz over at Norco know whats up.

For a personal bike I'm skipping them for 2 reasons. First of all I don't want a 650b bike as my primary steed. I like them, they are fun, but my library of tires is not compatible and wheel/rim combos are all 26" this year via a grassroots sponsorship.
Second, the shop I'm helping at/working everything through is using the Sight and Range as Demo's and I'll have access to them when needed, except on trips and when otherwise reserved.

For taking a chance with me and helping me out, I want to run a bike they sell. My trail bike is really the only bike up for replacing right now so I'm starting there.

DW, you've got first hand in the differences ride quality/characteristic wise between my current '08 6point, the '11 Ibis Mojo, and the Pivot Mach 5.7. Would you mind sharing your wealth of knowledge?

[Jester]

I got my mach 5.7 a couple months ago and I couldn't be happier with it. I would imagine the suspension is world's better than your current blur as I have heard not so great things about how they ride. Anyways I say just buy the pivot from your shop and call it a day. You won't regret it.

[epic]

I've demoed the 5.7C and the Mojo HD. I loved the HD, the 5.7c was everything I like about that bike and more. Do you r homework on size though, I ride larges on everything, and the med. Pivot did not feel too small. At 6', I'm not sure which size I'd get.

[ZHendo]

I would try to get some more suspension tuning help on the bike before you bail on it. I was having the same issue with my Nomad Carbon before I threw on a Push link and an RC4. My main complaint with the bike was exactly what you're describing - it just kinda bounced around in the midstroke and was easily overwhelmed by big hits. Talk to Darren over at Push, he should be able to help you. My bike has been an absolute blast since I threw on the new linkage, and it really filled out the midstroke support. If you're that tired of the bike its totally reasonable to want to get rid of it, but I would at least give Push a quick phone call because Darren knows the VPP traits unbelievably well.

[BmxConvert]

I've demoed the 5.7C and the Mojo HD. I loved the HD, the 5.7c was everything I like about that bike and more. Do you r homework on size though, I ride larges on everything, and the med. Pivot did not feel too small. At 6', I'm not sure which size I'd get.

Sounds good. I typically fall right between a medium and a large. I'm 5'11" with a 35" inseam. I have a short upper body so I usually buy a medium with a 23" top tube and run a 70mm stem. With the Blur I went with a 24" tt and a 50mm stem so that I could keep the fork at 130 to retain a steeper headangle for climbing but benefit from the stability of a longer wheelbase.

The 23.2 of the 5.7 should be damn near perfect.

I would try to get some more suspension tuning help on the bike before you bail on it. I was having the same issue with my Nomad Carbon before I threw on a Push link and an RC4. My main complaint with the bike was exactly what you're describing - it just kinda bounced around in the midstroke and was easily overwhelmed by big hits. Talk to Darren over at Push, he should be able to help you. My bike has been an absolute blast since I threw on the new linkage, and it really filled out the midstroke support. If you're that tired of the bike its totally reasonable to want to get rid of it, but I would at least give Push a quick phone call because Darren knows the VPP traits unbelievably well.

Ready for a long story? Here we go... I've been a certified bike mechanic for 10 years and have always worked in shops. The lest shop I was working in I did the entire workload, no one ever showed up to help. It was a one man show all the time. The owners quite paying me. I knew I was about to quit and go back to welding so I ordered a Blur TRC. Well a particular rep at SC does not answer phone calls and the inside folks at SC always say to leave him an email. After 4 emails we finally get my bike ordered. 3 weeks pass and we order another TRc. The customers bike has arrived and mine hasn't. Finally I get an email after 6 weeks and a lot of phone calls and he recognizes I should have my bike.
Well, the bike shows up from UPS as a COD package after I had already put the bike on my debit card. I have to run to the bank and pull money from my account to get my bike. I left for a 24hour race the morning after the bike arrived, but because SC double charged me, my account was down almost $12000. I'm 25 years old working in a bike shop that hasn't paid me in months; there's not a whole lot left in my account after that...

My experience with Santa Cruz left a sour taste in my mouth.

Now, as a Santa Cruz owner yourself you recognize the inherent flaws of the design and had to buy a separate link and a new rear shock to sort them out.
I've gone through 2 different air sleeves with numerous different volumes and I wasn't happy. I went to a new rear shock and still don't like it.

Quite frankly I don't want to support Santa Cruz by continuing to ride a bike I dislike. The shop I'm helping out at doesn't sell Santa Cruz and I want to ride what they sell.
The Blur TRc is done and I'm over it.
I'll post it on Ebay tomorrow.

[rosenamedpoop]

Just a thought... what if you're picky and don't like the next frame either?

Dude, talk to the Push guys. Phone calls are free.

[BmxConvert]

Just a thought... what if you're picky and don't like the next frame either?

Dude, talk to the Push guys. Phone calls are free.

Then I'll still be a bit unhappy with my bike but... I'll be riding a bike that the shop sells. The shop is helping me out, so I will do everything I can to do the same. It's a selling tool to have someone on hand that rides what they are selling, even if they aren't entirely happy. If a customer asks "what do you ride" I will not lie to them, there are plenty of shops out there that lie or make false statements to customers, I'm not one of them. I will tell them exactly what they ask. The question "what do you ride" comes up in 75% of the conversations in a bike shop, if and when I say Santa Cruz, they wonder why I'm talking to them about a Pivot/DB/Norco.

[yuroshek]

I absolutely love my 5.7, although its not the carbon model... Ive been racing the Oregon Enduro series on my 5.7 and couldnt be happier. The bike pedals amazing, shreds single track, corners like a cheetah... It basically feels like a 5" DH bike but with the ability to pedal up mountains. I strongly recommend a Pivot since you love the DW linked bikes.