iron horse sunday vs khs dh300

[oobaa47]

Just curious, what are the differences in terms of geometry and suspension characteristics? Taking a look at the two frames, they look extremely similar; the same pivots, shock placement, design, etc etc. I believe I read somewhere once that the KHS design was used by several asian manufacturers who "license" the design (but not from DW, from a manufacturer in asia). And I also thought I heard it wasn't available in the US due to DW patent infringement. Can anyone advise? Thanks......

[Verskis]

KHS frame is made by Astro, and the same frame is sold under lots of brands. To my understanding all the frames are made in the same factory and different brands just buy the frames and slap their own stickers on it, there's no any licensing going on.
As for comparing Sunday and the Astro frame riding characteristics, I can not help.

[bullcrew]

Similair but the khs ramps up, rides really good and seems to feel really good. Rode side by Sid with a buddy last week who has the khs I rode his around a bit... feels good I wouldn't hesitate to get one if the price was good....

[Wa-Aw]

Has there been any published geometry? My google-fu is weak and I can't seem to find anything except a hint here and there about a 64 HA, and a 14.25 BB height (which is kinda high for a sunday wanabee bike).

[bullcrew]

Not finding much I'll see if I can get some numbers of Tim's tomorrow morning we are riding. I'll snap a pic of it next to the phoenix pivot and I think there's a new giant going also....

[quiksilver]

Sunday.

[bullcrew]

Sunday.

Monday, happy days..

AAAAAAAAAY....

[Lelandjt]

I'll snap a pic of it next to the phoenix pivot and I think there's a new giant going also....

Holy look-alike-bike session. Those are all so similar I bet shock tuning has more impact on feel than frame differences. Maybe swap shocks around just for kicks?

[Wa-Aw]

I found this.



14.6" BB height is kind of a deal breaker. I hope it's a mistake...

Then there's the 15.4 chainstay length, that can't be right..

Don't know why the pic isn't showing up. Click the box with the "x" and it does.

[bullcrew]

Holy look-alike-bike session. Those are all so similar I bet shock tuning has more impact on feel than frame differences. Maybe swap shocks around just for kicks?

Well then you will respect the fact there will be the ghost musashi as well....
Its like a circle jerk of dw rip offs..

[Wa-Aw]

Won't let this thread die as I'm seriously considering the bike!

I get to test ride one next week. Do you guys think a CCDB would work well with it. Seems to be a Sunday with more progression at the end, which is exactly what the Pheonix claims to be. Be very interested in the comparison.

It's just that damn BB height is bizarre. It's a full inch higher than the Pheonix. Any idea what shock hardware it uses? Guessing 8mm. A little room for offset bushings but not much...

[bullcrew]

OK tim slept in and didn't go (khs dh300) but my other buddy made it with his giant.

[Lelandjt]

Won't let this thread die as I'm seriously considering the bike!

I get to test ride one next week. Do you guys think a CCDB would work well with it. Seems to be a Sunday with more progression at the end, which is exactly what the Pheonix claims to be. Be very interested in the comparison.

It's just that damn BB height is bizarre. It's a full inch higher than the Pheonix. Any idea what shock hardware it uses? Guessing 8mm. A little room for offset bushings but not much...

I think those geo numbers are typos and it's pretty standard. The only issues I saw with the KHS are it's a little heavier than the other DWish bikes mentioned above and the concentric pivot around the BB might not be as easy to deal with. The other 3 bikes above also protect the shock better. Minor things, the KHS guys all seemed genuinely happy with them.

[bullcrew]

The khs is a solid bike I ripped around on one and would have no issues racing one....its proved itself at wc level and red bull...I'd say its a pretty legit setup.