DW vs. Trek

[epic]

http://www.bicycleretailer.com/north...pension-patent

[Mo(n)arch]

[saruti]

I think DW just makes people more aware of the trek's ABP.
If I ever asked myself what is better... come DW, and make me now think that they are the same.
So if trek only made a 140mm trail bike... I would probably replace my MKIII to it.

[norbar]

Weagle is suing in U.S. District Court in Madison, Wisconsin (Complaint. pdf), claiming that Trek is violating two of his patents, one issued in 2010 and one in 2011. He is asking for a jury trial and demanding licensing fees.

The discussion began as far back as 2007, when Weagle visited Trek and shared photos of his then-patent-pending design. Weagle’s suit notes that a month after that visit Trek applied for a patent for a concentric pivot design. Trek's patent was issued in 2010.

If that's true I really hope Dw rips them a new one.

[Sandwich]

What about the remedy? it's 150mm. Or the fuel @ 130mm? Or the Dixon, @ 145mm? Does the 10mm of travel make that much difference to you?

[Jeremy R]

If that's true I really hope Dw rips them a new one.

I agree. If that is true, I hope Lance Armstrong is DW's chauffeur.

[banj]

But while the concentric pivot is the most noticeable feature of both designs, in itself the pivot is not even patentable — that innovation dates to the early 20th or even late 19th century. The Trek and Split Pivot patents differ in the ways the rear suspension linkages connect to the front triangle and the shock.

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Is this statement true? Anyone gone through the patents in detail? If they're not patenting the split pivot then what exactly are they patenting? There isn't really anything revolutionary in the way the rear ends of the bikes are attached to the main frame that I can see.

If so, it seems to me like another case of taking something that already existed and getting a patent for the sake of calling it your own.

[klunky]

I thought the ABP/split pivot thing exsisted on some 1920s motor bike?

[boogenman]

I thought the ABP/split pivot thing exsisted on some 1920s motor bike?

That does not mean a god damn thing if no one had a patent on it.


It sure sounds sketchy that Trek invited DW over probably to brainstorm or meet with him about becoming a consultant and then they all of a sudden have a patent for what he showed them. Scum bags! I hope DW comes on top like he did with Giant.

[epic]

I hope DW comes on top like he did with Giant.

When did that happen? I didn't think that had ever gone anywhere.

[klunky]

What happend with the giant thing? I figured it just fizzled out.

[sbabuser]

I hope DW comes on top like he did with Giant.

TMI. Way, way TMI.

[boogenman]

I am not 100% on this but I am pretty sure Giant drastically changed their bikes in 2008 so DW would stop pursuing them in court.

[William42]

without actually reading the patents or hearing the full arguments presented, I have strong opinions and feel strongly that one of these people is a saint and the other is an evil overlord.

[Mo(n)arch]

That does not mean a god damn thing if no one had a patent on it.
It sure sounds sketchy that Trek invited DW over probably to brainstorm or meet with him about becoming a consultant and then they all of a sudden have a patent for what he showed them. Scum bags! I hope DW comes on top like he did with Giant.

This. I am, and will always will be for the little guys
(not sure if DW is one of them, but still, he has great ideas and should receive the reward for them.).