Dear UCI,now that you're about to lose an assload of money....

[aenema]

Did he run it? I don't know all the details regarding whether he was a user or manufacturer type. I know he was the winningest and that makes him easy to focus on. Where are details coming in from regarding the sophistication and hierarchy of this debacle?

[wiscodh]

He was just another guy in the group and I fear him being made a scapegoat.

please read tylers book. I know it is one side of the story but it sheds some srs light on dope in the roadie world.

[slyfink]

Where are details coming in from regarding the sophistication and hierarchy of this debacle?

the USADA report, based on the testimony of his former teamates and many others.

Did he run it?

yes. ran it, enabled it, enforced it.

Tyler Hamilton's book is a good read if you're genuinely interested.

[jonKranked]

Did he run it? I don't know all the details regarding whether he was a user or manufacturer type. I know he was the winningest and that makes him easy to focus on. Where are details coming in from regarding the sophistication and hierarchy of this debacle?

Yes, he ran it. And let's make it clear, he wasn't just casually doping to gain an edge. It was a fundamental part of his strategy to win, and win more than anyone else in the history of the tour.

[jonKranked]

yes. ran it, enabled it, enforced it.

From what I've read, if a rider wasnt willing to dope, they didn't make the team.

[aenema]

That changes a lot if true (not doubting you, in fact believe it likely is) but I still want to make sure the focus goes all the way to the top. If that is Lance, fine, but if not don't stop there.

[gemini2k]

Yes, he ran it. And let's make it clear, he wasn't just casually doping to gain an edge. It was a fundamental part of his strategy to win, and win more than anyone else in the history of the tour.

Sounds like he wanted it the most, and worked the hardest at it, and won in a crowd of other dopers. I say more props to him.

[jonKranked]

Sounds like he wanted it the most, and worked the hardest at it, and won in a crowd of other dopers. I say more props to him.

he was just the best funded and the most ruthless d-bag.

[jonKranked]

That changes a lot if true (not doubting you, in fact believe it likely is) but I still want to make sure the focus goes all the way to the top. If that is Lance, fine, but if not don't stop there.

oh you mean how he conveniently made over $100k in donations to the UCI coincidentally right after a positive test occurred (which was conveniently explained away).

Go read all the info that's out there. UCI is implicated. WADA is implicated. It reads like a freakin' Tom Clancy novel.

[sbabuser]

Wow, a ton of hearsay being thrown around here as fact. And to demonize someone who could have possibly been given a bigger edge through drugs (although that's not been proven, either)... Seems like you have axes to grind, so whatever you claim to know for certain should be even more suspect.

[jonKranked]

All this info is available in the usada decision file. Not hearsay.

[jonKranked]

To be fair, its not a light read at over 1,000 pages. The 33 page whistleblower suit linked from the NY Daily News article that Mickey posted would be a faster read.

[sbabuser]

he was just the best funded and the most ruthless d-bag.

And all 100% fact?

[time-bomb]

And all 100% fact?

Yes. Until there are official reports of others that are funded more and bigger d-bags than him, it will remain a fact.

[jonKranked]

And all 100% fact?

i'd say the $30 million of taxpayer money he got from the USPS would indicate so.

And by every single account i've ever read about encounters with him, he is a d-bag (and in the running for the biggest in the universe). haven't met the guy. Then again, I've never been to outer space, but I have no reason to doubt other first hand accounts that gravity is zero.