Allround-FS-bike?

[Tomasis]

Hi!

I dont know where to start.

I've been eyeing on IBIS Mojo HD but I dont afford to build the whole bike substantially lighter than my current DH bike (IH Sunday with 888/Avy & 823EX/Hadley) . If I could find a way to get sub13kg for allround FS, it'd be cool but probably it'd be a used frame within my budget.

I got sneaky idea, how about Sunday frame with lighter parts when it is not for dh use. I usually take apart Sunday for traveling to a place to ride (I dont live close mountains and have to take train or buss)

So 55CR, light wheels as EX721 with Hope or SuperStar hubs, single ply tires would work? Im not expert on geometry but what HA I get on 170 or 150mm front? my uses are wide ranging from urban to light forest, sometimes to go up and ride on flat. I have older frame with ancient Specialized FSR that would be imposible to use any else than gravity.

your thoughts?

[Kntr]

I used my 951 like that for awhile. In the end I just got another bike. It worked, but uphill was a pain.

Uphill ready


DH ready

[djjohnr]

Hi!

I dont know where to start.

I've been eyeing on IBIS Mojo HD but I dont afford to build the whole bike substantially lighter than my current DH bike (IH Sunday with 888/Avy & 823EX/Hadley) . If I could find a way to get sub13kg for allround FS, it'd be cool but probably it'd be a used frame within my budget.

I got sneaky idea, how about Sunday frame with lighter parts when it is not for dh use. I usually take apart Sunday for traveling to a place to ride (I dont live close mountains and have to take train or buss)

So 55CR, light wheels as EX721 with Hope or SuperStar hubs, single ply tires would work? Im not expert on geometry but what HA I get on 170 or 150mm front? my uses are wide ranging from urban to light forest, sometimes to go up and ride on flat. I have older frame with ancient Specialized FSR that would be imposible to use any else than gravity.

your thoughts?

More info needed.

- Climbing? If so, what kind of climb profile? Thousands of feet? Small hills? Flat fireroad? Technical singletrack? How steep?
- Do much tight singletrack riding?

[norbar]

Hi!

I dont know where to start.

I've been eyeing on IBIS Mojo HD but I dont afford to build the whole bike substantially lighter than my current DH bike (IH Sunday with 888/Avy & 823EX/Hadley) . If I could find a way to get sub13kg for allround FS, it'd be cool but probably it'd be a used frame within my budget.

I got sneaky idea, how about Sunday frame with lighter parts when it is not for dh use. I usually take apart Sunday for traveling to a place to ride (I dont live close mountains and have to take train or buss)

So 55CR, light wheels as EX721 with Hope or SuperStar hubs, single ply tires would work? Im not expert on geometry but what HA I get on 170 or 150mm front? my uses are wide ranging from urban to light forest, sometimes to go up and ride on flat. I have older frame with ancient Specialized FSR that would be imposible to use any else than gravity.

your thoughts?

Visit Canyon bikes and YT Technologies sites. For very little you can have a banging 170mm (yt) or 180mm (Canyon) all arounders with awesome parts.

[Downhillbiker23]

I have a Giant Reign 2 from 2012 and love it for all around use! Can literally do anything!

I have a full dh, XC hardtail, DJ and road bike and and this Reign performs great compared to them. Ideally having a bike for everything is great, but if you can have one bike I reccomend a newer reign!

[bengxe]

I used to pedal my Sunday uphill. I swapped to single ply tires and a longer seatpost when I had to pedal it, and it was geared 32 x 11-34. I had a 180mm 66 on it, if you go much shorter the low bb height will be an issue in any kind of technical climbing. My shock doesnt use a platform valve, so lots of LSC helped alot. It actually pedaled pretty well. Pedal bob isnt an issue if you can stay in the saddle, and the seat angle is steep enough to not be an issue.

[Deano]

have a peek at the scott genius LT models.

[Kntr]

Visit Canyon bikes and YT Technologies sites. For very little you can have a banging 170mm (yt) or 180mm (Canyon) all arounders with awesome parts.

Wow, those are some sweet do all bikes!!

[Speedgoat9]

I am really stoked on my cannondale jekyll. Climbs amazing in the short travel mode and descends even better in the long travel mode. Truly an amazing all around bike.

[bullcrew]

Canfield one hands down...like a sx on steroids with a Sunday like feel through chop. Pedals amazing won't be a true hardcore DH machine bit will ride 90% of everything out there well...
Im planning on getting another this season, it was my all time favorite bike for do it all riding if pedalling was in there no biggie and it handled drops and chop like a light DH bike...

I will still continue to ride different stuff but that bike is amazing if you don't need a designated DH rig...

[norbar]

Wow, those are some sweet do all bikes!!

The prices are insane. Especially if you think about euro prices of some of the mentioned bikes

[Sandwich]

I didn't like the way my sunday pedaled under weirder-than-normal circumstances. Climbing a steep hill was really weird. It pulled up and broke traction really easily. I don't know if I was at a weird position in the travel or what, but I could not imagine trying to ride something like that as a trail bike. It was great on flat ground or for general downhilling, but the climbing phenomenon was weird and repeatable.

[Tomasis]

Whoa some replies here!

I think I give up Sunday as hybride bike Stupid thought about climbing indeed but was worth the try. Norbar posted links to YT Tech and Canyon. Those prices are way too good to pass up adding another new bike. So lets discuss about worthy companion to dh bike.

Regarding climbing profile, I think I dont want limit to anything, it should do everything from thousand feet to fireroad even quite steep. But mostly moderate steep, small hills, singletracks, sometimes tight as such places near my home. In rarer case when I visit a friend in north of Sweden there it'd be some long uphill but it'd reward me with good downhill perfomance after "hard work". It means the ability to do different things would be wide range. Hence all-rounder.

I dont get clever by definition by Enduro and AM, maybe I look at middle between those categories. AM looks too phuny to handle abuse I throw at without worrying about cracking. I dont know either how much enduro geometry is compromised losing some climbing ability for more downhill. Lets assume if AM handles downhill about good as Enduro but has better climbing ability by larger margin and still can handle abuse, then I 'd look at it. If Enduro can handle climbing about good as AM, then itd be given choice. You get idea. Im looking for balanced choice.

I want to have something to complement to my DH and 4x/slalom bike. Slalom bike is fun to ride downhill with all shaky feeling. So 10mm difference of front/rear suspension doesnt matter for me.

What cool about Mojo HD that it can take RC4 damper but I realize that I still want light weigth close to 13kg without much durability lost.

I like Canyon of two alternatives because Shimano and Fox parts. Strive and Nerve look interesting. Marketing talk confuses me, Strive is called allrounder and Nerve does good both on up and down. Though Nerve AM has good price 1600 euros. But Strive seems closer to Mojo HD hence the first choice. 14kg is not bad still.

I will get back after looking geometry data from different bike brands listed here, also reviews.Im sure Im gonna be more confused after that so I look for input from downhillers here. I wont disregard good downhill performance but it doesnt have to be Magnificient as with 180mm fork

[dfinn]

like a sx on steroids

What do you like better about it compared to the SX? I really like the SX and on paper I'm not sure the Canfield would be as much fun because of the longer CS.

[bullcrew]

Whoa some replies here!

I think I give up Sunday as hybride bike Stupid thought about climbing indeed but was worth the try. Norbar posted links to YT Tech and Canyon. Those prices are way too good to pass up adding another new bike. So lets discuss about worthy companion to dh bike.

Regarding climbing profile, I think I dont want limit to anything, it should do everything from thousand feet to fireroad even quite steep. But mostly moderate steep, small hills, singletracks, sometimes tight as such places near my home. In rarer case when I visit a friend in north of Sweden there it'd be some long uphill but it'd reward me with good downhill perfomance after "hard work". It means the ability to do different things would be wide range. Hence all-rounder.

I dont get clever by definition by Enduro and AM, maybe I look at middle between those categories. AM looks too phuny to handle abuse I throw at without worrying about cracking. I dont know either how much enduro geometry is compromised losing some climbing ability for more downhill. Lets assume if AM handles downhill about good as Enduro but has better climbing ability by larger margin and still can handle abuse, then I 'd look at it. If Enduro can handle climbing about good as AM, then itd be given choice. You get idea. Im looking for balanced choice.

I want to have something to complement to my DH and 4x/slalom bike. Slalom bike is fun to ride downhill with all shaky feeling. So 10mm difference of front/rear suspension doesnt matter for me.

What cool about Mojo HD that it can take RC4 damper but I realize that I still want light weigth close to 13kg without much durability lost.

I like Canyon of two alternatives because Shimano and Fox parts. Strive and Nerve look interesting. Marketing talk confuses me, Strive is called allrounder and Nerve does good both on up and down. Though Nerve AM has good price 1600 euros. But Strive seems closer to Mojo HD hence the first choice. 14kg is not bad still.

I will get back after looking geometry data from different bike brands listed here, also reviews.Im sure Im gonna be more confused after that so I look for input from downhillers here. I wont disregard good downhill performance but it doesnt have to be Magnificient as with 180mm fork

My buddy Bobby used to ride for canyon, fun bikes to pedal around and for the most part pretty decent build kit....
He abused his HEAVILY and no issues...