Air Vs Coil shocks

[daisycutter]

Who is making the change this year. I am putting a DB air on my V10. Anyone else running a DB air on their V10?

[SkullCrack]

Here's a review of the DBair the tester mounted on his v10. http://www.singletracks.com/blog/mtb...hock-reviewed/

[4gnegative]

Double barrel air is awesome! Don't have a v.10 but it works great on my podium.

[Owennn]

Why choose less reliability, lower performance and more frequent maintenance for a bit of weight loss? And if someone says a certain bike performs better because of the air spring then you need a new frame with a real leverage curve.

Serious question too. Not trying to make people angry.

[Huck Banzai]

Why choose less reliability, lower performance and more frequent maintenance for a bit of weight loss? And if someone says a certain bike performs better because of the air spring then you need a new frame with a real leverage curve.

Serious question too. Not trying to make people angry.

None of those assertions are true. Are you the OffRoad teaparty? such claims!

[Owennn]

None of those assertions are true.

Have a read: http://www.canecreek.com/tech-center/suspension/faq

50 hours for the air, 100 hours for the coil.

Are you the OffRoad teaparty? such claims!

A what? Is this a North American thing?

[Mr Nug]

Why choose less reliability, lower performance and more frequent maintenance for a bit of weight loss?

Don't forget the other benefits of an infinitely adjustable spring rate and flexibility to tweak the progression.

I'm 3 rides in on my DBAir now. It's been really muddy the last few times which has made it difficult to dial in the shock properly. I extrapolated the base settings by comparing the Makulu coil and dbair base tunes and applying that to the v10 coil base tune. I've stayed quite faithful to that (adjusting the rebound to suit preference and a bit more LSC) and am happy so far. I'm using the High Flow air can and the large volume reducer as I was blowing through the travel quite easily on the first ride.

It's more supple at the top of the stroke than the vivid air was and has that trademark DB grip to it. I'll report back when I've done some proper tuning on it.

[Moosey]

I just swapped out the coil on my old RM Slayer SS for an X-Fusion O2, just to see how it felt... I'lll be upgrading to a higher end airshock pretty soon. I thought this would be the one bike for me that a coil felt better on, but I was wrong....

I've now run air v coil shocks on a Felt Compulsion, Evil Revolt, Karpiel Disco Volante, and now my RM Slayer, and airshocks have felt better to me every time...

I just prefer the adjustibility, and I really like the way they feel. Rode a Roco Air WC on my Revolt for a few days at Northstar... absolutely no problems.

[IH8Rice]

Why choose less reliability, lower performance and more frequent maintenance for a bit of weight loss? And if someone says a certain bike performs better because of the air spring then you need a new frame with a real leverage curve.

Serious question too. Not trying to make people angry.

ive been on my DB Air for almost a year and have yet to have a reliability issue or had any noticeable lower performance. i have also yet to send mine in for service since there hasnt been a need for it. i did have a issue with my coil's main seal leaking but that was thankfully covered under warranty.
id also say that losing nearly a pound is a little bit more then a "bit."

[hitar_potar]

Why choose less reliability, lower performance and more frequent maintenance for a bit of weight loss? And if someone says a certain bike performs better because of the air spring then you need a new frame with a real leverage curve.

Serious question too. Not trying to make people angry.

Well, is the Sunday a frame with a real leverage curve? Been using an Evolver ISX-6 for 2,5 years now, first on a Devinci frame, now on the Sunday. Absolutely problem-free, it works very differently than the coil Swinger 6-way i had before, very adjustable. And with both shocks i had to do maintenance once a year (i've got another bike as well, sooo...). And removing a whole lb is not something to be ignored. I'm new to the weight-weenie game, but am starting to see the benefits now!

[Neuro]

After many test with Rock shox Vivid Air I believe that the air is superior in big square hit absorption and give a smoothness superior to the coil model…probably due to the compressive nature of the air which tends to delay the response of the hit and so to give lower vertical acceleration to the wheels (but this is only my personal opinion).

For example it seems that Ryan Dungey prefers the feeling of his WP air shock in the woops sections….that are High speed shock shaft sections. All Supercross riders are now on Kayaba and Showa air front forks..


Now I have a cane Creek Double Barrel Air on my Commencal supreme V3, and is the best shock that I have ever tried (Fox RC4, Fox DHX 5, Roco WC, Elka Stage5). It's about a pound lighter than my Fox Rc4, is more controlled but also more effective on square edge hits...

I strongly believe that the future of downhill is in the AIR suspensions, and probabily also for the MX...that is a power bike not human powered....where the weigh is so much important....

Excuse to all for my bad grammar

[Verskis]

probably due to the compressive nature of the air which tends to delay the response of the hit and so to give lower vertical acceleration to the wheels (but this is only my personal opinion).

Coil spring is pretty compressive by nature as well

[IH8Rice]

For example it seems that Ryan Dungey prefers the feeling of his WP air shock in the woops sections….that are High speed shock shaft sections.

but he wont be racing on it anymore until they can iron it out they said

[gemini2k]

Well, is the Sunday a frame with a real leverage curve?

Actually no, it's not.

[tabletop84]

at the end of the day

coil>air

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